Burakovsky plays well for a couple weeks and all of sudden he's worth our top line winger? Come now Eli, enough of this nonsense.

Again. Not all of a sudden. Once again.

Career, Burakovsky still has two more even strength points in five more games than Drouin. They're basically even in value, but if each could use a change of scenes, Washington adds, because Drouin's power play experience adds value. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20102011&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points

Realistically, the reason neither team remotely considers this is language: the Habs have other French speakers and play in a mostly French speaking city, while the Caps have other players and prospects who speak Swedish and German. After trading, each would be a square peg in a round hole. Pretending the problem is value? Nah. If anything, because of cap hit, this is a big win for Montreal, giving them just as good of a 1L, and cap space to add a UFA in the summer, or a real power play specialist at the deadline.

I can tell an arguer from a mile away. You sir are an arguer. This is arguing for the sake of arguing. Not going to dignify any of this with a worthy response. Its a waste of time.

Bura worth a 2rd pick alone maximum lmao

This is entirely ridiculous, the turnover was nothing major. Certainly looked like it had more to do with Tampa’s neutral zone defence than Drouin.

This season:
Drouin: 58 games played, 17g 29a 46pts
Burakovsky: 52 games played, 7g 9a 16pts



In a league that's philosophy is "what have you done for me now", and accounting for player progression. At 5v5 this year Drouin has 32pts vs Burakovsky has 15pts. Since Drouin has produced more than double than Burakovsky, for you to be right in your statement that both are equal at 5v5, Drouin must of had double the ice time. Drouin avg at 5v5 ice time is 14:17/game, Burakovsky at 10:50/per. 4min difference of 5v5 ice time between the two...

**** like this is the reason ratings need to come back for ACGM's

Bad trade for habs.

I mean.... I think each of them rises to the level of their linemates. Drouin's points/60 aren't as good as Domi's this year, and Burakovsky's aren't as good as Eller's. There might be teams you could trade Drouin to for more, but he does have a long contract ahead of him at a decent salary. Perhaps value was the wrong word. Their skill level is equal. Their total career output is pretty close.

But I'm also not offering a one for one. Madison Bowey is pretty valuable. As a rookie he outscored Fleury last year. He's a bit older, so he's not Fleury, but he's okay. He played a little for team Canada, in juniors. He's got more offensive skill than he gets to show in 14 minutes a night on a team that has Carlson and Niskanen ahead of him.

I think there is a zero percent chance that Drouin gets traded this year and Jamie is absolutely right that:


So this is posted mostly as a joke.... but if the question is really "what have you done for me now" and not lately... in their last dozen games they each have seven even strength points. Drouin also has a few on the power play, but Burakovsky hasn't had that chance, and had been playing on line four with a rotating cast of centers including Stephenson, Boyd, and Dowd, until he earned his way back up to the glorious third line with Lars Eller.

Drouin is more valuable and I added, but Burakovsky is doing just as much, right now, with slightly weaker linemates.

You guys missed the first half of the conversation, which was more clearly in a spirit of fun. I assumed this would be taken the same way. But you're also underestimating Burakovsky and Bowey. Never mind.

of course linemates has an impact. But Domi has benefited from playing with Drouin (at his natural LW position, unlike last year at C) just as much as you can say the opposite.

Fair point. Yeah.... So it sounds like you agree with this post saying that Drouin is more valuable than Burakovsky. That's why I added a decent 24 year old defenseman.

Bowey's not great and he has yet to play big minutes, but by rates he's outscoring a few of the first round picks from his, and Drouin's, and Domi's, and Burakovksy's draft year, like Zadorov, and Harpur, and Mueller: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterscoring&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=pointsPer60Minutes

So I think he's reasonably good.

Again, the source of humor here, as in apparently deleted posts from Habs fans last night, is that Drouin will never again be traded, anwhere, for anyone. If you want me to drone on some more about more ways Burakovsky is as good as him, besides even strength points in their whole careers, or even strength points in their last twelve games, then as a Caps fan, I'm very happy to do so.

For instance, hits and blocks. Drouin has about 50% more hits but Burakovsky has blocked about 50% more blocks. It evens out.

Giveaways and takeaways. Drouin's got 15 more career giveaways than takeaways. Burakovsky's got 12. Each is decent for a puck carrying forward.

As one of the better French Canadian players his age in the NHL, Drouin is a walking no trade clause, for the Montreal Canadiens. That should be obvious. But the more creative your arguments get to claim that he's a lot better than Burakovsky when he's only a little better.... the fewer lowball offers on Burakovsky we might read on here.

Buddy, this isn't a good deal for Drouin. You trying to compare Burakovsky to him is a far reach, and you're cherry picking stats trying to try and prove you're point. You use career stats because Bura started out pretty solid as a goal scoring prospect, but has declined over the years. If you use this years stats, you see a big difference. He's never reached 40 pts in a single season (Drouin has 3 seasons now). You seem to want to ignore PP time, as if it somehow doesn't matter in evaluating players, because again it goes against what you're saying.

You doing the "if squint hard enough, look sideways, and do a handstand, you can see if you only use career stats, only at 5 on 5, ignore PP time, Burakovsky is sorta kinda similar to Drouin in a lot of aspects!" is ridiculous...

too many fallacies my friend, try someone else to compare him to.

Adding Bowey does nothing.

Compare him to someone else? Okay. Burakovsky is undervalued like Brett Connolly was when the Caps signed him as a minimum wage UFA after he didn't get a Q.O. because he had two freak injuries two years in a row, or like Taylor Hall was, when Edmonton traded him for an above average stay at home defenseman after he had three freak injuries in four years, which caused his numbers to appear to decline, while still being obviously pretty good. He's not as good as Hall, but few are. Counting playoffs he's got 4 more career points, counting playoffs, than Connolly, a former 6th overall pick who started out with the Lightning, bounced through another good team in Boston, and is almost three years older than Burakovsky, his linemate.

If I wanted to really compare him to Drouin, for what the Caps are probably after, I'd say that they're close enough, in even strength playoff points per game, until they get to the Stanley Cup Finals, where Burakovsky gets 0.80, and Drouin gets 0.00.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/drouijo01/gamelog/playoffs

But in terms of what the Habs are after, Drouin speaks French, has better draft position, makes a great face for the franchise for the next decade. He's not going anywhere.

He'd be a good fit in Washington if he were available, because he has enough power play experience to join the top unit, and let Kuznetsov move to the 2nd unit. Kuznetsov's skill on the 2nd unit would make it really effective against other teams' 2nd PK units. Burakovsky would not immediately be as good as Drouin on power plays. He should eventually be just as good, but will need time to learn how power plays work in the NHL, with good players. The few shifts he gets with Eller and Connolly aren't teaching him everything.

in bold, there you go cherry picking again.





playoff totals:

Burakovsky 16pts in 49games
Drouin 14pts in 23games

At evens: 15/49=0.31
9/23=0.39

Pretty close, until it counts.

Drouin just has five times as many playoff power play points (five to one). You've found another way of telling me that, as a top five pick, Drouin automatically gets power play time, while Burakovsky doesn't, as though you still think that makes him a much better player. He is slightly better, most of the time. Except in the Finals. He is about an equivalent goal scorer, but just has three fewer two-goal games in the playoffs (zero to three).

If a team needs power play guys, they'd rather have Drouin. If a team needs a cheap 2nd line wing to add depth without blowing the salary cap, they'd rather have Burakovsky. MTL therefore prefers Drouin and WSH prefers Burakovsky. I still don't know what we're arguing about.

look how far you have fallen....



You were right! my attempts were futile. should've listened to you...

You've just kept posting point totals. Try harder.

Dig into something like the SKATR comparison tool to see that, post-injury, and playing with his team's bottom six guys, the only things Burakovsky is beating Drouin at this year are corsi and XGF.

Then you can at least show he has higher trade value right now.

But then crank the year back to last year, and see that last year, with middle six linemates, Burakovsky was head and shoulders better than Drouin was last year....although not quite as good as Drouin this year, which makes sense. Young players without major injuries should keep improving. Burakovsky next year should be close to as good as Drouin again, and if they get similar linemates and power play time, they could have the same point totals next season.

Here: https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1

Both Burakovsky and Bowey are utter trash. Nothing more to it than that

As are most of your comments.

Burakovsky has seven points in his last twelve games. What did he ever do to you, aside from score two goals against Pittsburgh in a game six?

Having a mediocre stretch of games doesn't mean he's good.

And points /= skill.

They were all at evens, mostly on the 4th line, and that's a 48 point pace. He started slow after spending the summer recovering from having his wrist broken by a slash from Columbus. He's back.

Drouin's on pace for 45 even strength points this year, but isn't as good on corsi or XGF%, and plays easier zone starts with better quality teammates.

Burakovsky is, by some measures, better at hockey.... he's also averaged 0.80 points/game in Stanley Cup Finals, compared to Drouin's 0.00. There is no way either side makes this deal.

Again, having a mediocre stretch of games doesn't mean anything. He could very well go the rest of the season with 5 points in 24 games, which is more believable than him keeping up this "excellent" (according to you) pace

Do a lot of teams give up on 24 year olds with 150 points because they get injured?


Or does that summarize the worst move Chiarelli made in Edmonton?

No, he honestly, in his heart of hearts, believes that Burakovsky is worth Drouin and he honestly, in his heart of hearts, doesn't understand why you don't.