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Offersheet Point

Created by: galchy271
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 5, 2019
Published: Mar. 6, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Offersheet Point
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$12,000,000
2$1,000,000
2$2,100,000
2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,500,000
1$1,000,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2020 7th round pick (ARI)
2.
MTL
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (SJS)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
3.
MTL
    Future Considerations
    CBJ
    1. Weise, Dale
    2. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
    4.
    MTL
    1. 2019 3rd round pick (VAN)
    2. 2020 5th round pick (VAN)
    5.
    MTL
    1. 2019 2nd round pick (NSH)
    6.
    MTL
      Offersheet compensation
      TBL
      1. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
      2. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
      3. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
      Buyouts
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2019
      Logo of the NSH
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the VAN
      2020
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the WPG
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the VAN
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the ARI
      2021
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      2022
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      Logo of the MTL
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      21$81,500,000$81,243,253$0$3,100,000$256,747
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $4,800,000$4,800,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
      $12,000,000$12,000,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $3,150,000$3,150,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $5,500,000$5,500,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 4
      $9,500,000$9,500,000
      RW, C
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $3,750,000$3,750,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $3,400,000$3,400,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
      C
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $3,900,000$3,900,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      C, RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $925,000$925,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
      C
      UFA - 3
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $748,333$748,333
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $7,857,143$7,857,143
      RD
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $10,500,000$10,500,000
      G
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $5,500,000$5,500,000
      RD
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $750,000$750,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$175,000$175K)
      RD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $925,000$925,000
      LD
      RFA - 3
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $950,000$950,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1

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      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:01 a.m.
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      If you are going to offer-sheet him, you better send TB the compensation to do so! 4 1sts.
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:01 a.m.
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      Give the compensation..

      And 12M x 7 years becomes 16.8M a year
      https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:07 a.m.
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      Quoting: Hedman77
      Give the compensation..

      And 12M x 7 years becomes 16.8M a year
      https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator


      I'm pretty sure that calculator is for draft pick compensation...not the AAV on the cap. Not 100% sure on that but that's my understanding
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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      Quoting: Juice
      I'm pretty sure that calculator is for draft pick compensation...not the AAV on the cap. Not 100% sure on that but that's my understanding


      It does both. Literally has a spot with “Offer Sheet AAV”
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:09 a.m.
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      Make sure you give the 4 first rounders for TB.

      And also prepare to say goodbye to Kotkaniemi. I have no doubt TB is going to use the well saved money to offer sheet him in a couple of years.
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:12 a.m.
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      Quoting: Hedman77
      It does both. Literally has a spot with “Offer Sheet AAV”


      right...but with the disclaimer that

      "The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required, is derived by dividing the total contract value amount by the lesser of:
      ◦number of years offered, or
      ◦five (5) years"


      So it refers to the fact that the Offer Sheet AAV is used for draft pick compensation
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:14 a.m.
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      Quoting: Juice
      right...but with the disclaimer that

      "The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required, is derived by dividing the total contract value amount by the lesser of:
      ◦number of years offered, or
      ◦five (5) years"


      So it refers to the fact that the Offer Sheet AAV is used for draft pick compensation


      Yeah, and to find the compensation it needs to know the AAV. So it finds the AAV and then shows the compensation
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:17 a.m.
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      Quoting: BurgerBoss
      Make sure you give the 4 first rounders for TB.

      And also prepare to say goodbye to Kotkaniemi. I have no doubt TB is going to use the well saved money to offer sheet him in a couple of years.


      Rethinking this i'd probably just keep Danault and not sign Duchene - maybe get Nyquist for 2 years.
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:22 a.m.
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      Quoting: galchy271
      Rethinking this i'd probably just keep Danault and not sign Duchene - maybe get Nyquist for 2 years.


      Doesn't really prevent TB from offer sheeting Kotkaniemi. MTL will be in a cap hell after they must re-sign players like Domi, Mete, Gallagher etc. I'd guess you'd be out of money.
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:22 a.m.
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      Quoting: Hedman77
      Yeah, and to find the compensation it needs to know the AAV. So it finds the AAV and then shows the compensation


      haha...you're going in a circle.

      If a team offers a player 7 years at $12m and the offer sheet is signed and not matched...the AAV for the purposes of the cap his is $12m. The AAV for the purposes of determining draft pick compensation is $16.8m.

      So when offer sheeting someone where the dollar amount is already in the '4 1st round picks' category...going over 5 years on the term doesn't change anything.
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:27 a.m.
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      Quoting: Juice
      haha...you're going in a circle.

      If a team offers a player 7 years at $12m and the offer sheet is signed and not matched...the AAV for the purposes of the cap his is $12m. The AAV for the purposes of determining draft pick compensation is $16.8m.

      So when offer sheeting someone where the dollar amount is already in the '4 1st round picks' category...going over 5 years on the term doesn't change anything.


      I know it’s already in the 4 1sts category.
      “The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required...”
      The AAV determines the compensation. It doesn’t have a separate AAV.
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      Mar. 6, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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      Quoting: Hedman77
      I know it’s already in the 4 1sts category.
      “The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required...”
      The AAV determines the compensation. It doesn’t have a separate AAV.


      I think you are misinterpreting 'compensation' then. There ARE two separate AAV's with offer sheets with terms over 5 years.

      An offer sheet, itself, contains the terms the player and new team agree to and is broken down as follows (per Exhibit 6 of the CBA):
      1. Term of SPC:
      2. Signing, Reporting, or Roster Bonus (if any): $
      3. Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for each year of SPC: $
      4. Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary, if any, for each year of SPC: $

      In the example of this ACGM team, lets assume the 7yrs at $12m is all salary paid evenly over each year...the offer sheet is filled out as:

      1. 7 years
      2. $0
      3.
      Yr 1: $12m
      Yr 2: $12m
      Yr 3: $12m
      Yr 4: $12m
      Yr 5: $12m
      Yr 6: $12m
      Yr 7: $12m

      4. $0

      And that's it. It's a very basic form that wants to know the date, the player involved, who the prior team is, who the new team is, and the information provided in 1-4 above.

      That form gets signed by the player and new team and submitted to the old team. The old team is responsible for filing it with the NHL to make sure the draft pick compensation is available from the new team and, if it is, the NHL puts a hold on the new team's draft picks while the old team decides whether to match or not.

      The only time the CBA refers to dividing by 5 years is found in section 10.4 which talks about how the draft pick compensation is determined when an offer sheet is not matched. That calculation is ONLY applicable to draft pick compensation...not the cap hit the new team is taking on.
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      Mar. 6, 2019 at 12:06 p.m.
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      Point is a really good player, don't get me wrong, but the Habs don't need him.

      They have so many prospects coming up the pipe, it just doesn't make sense.

      It would also mean Kotkaniemi would be wasted

      Same exact thing for Duchene
      Mar. 6, 2019 at 12:25 p.m.
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      How dare you not take the time manually write in the last 1st rounder owed to TB for offer sheeting Point!!! The nerve of this kid.......... rolling eyes
       
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