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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 10, 2019
Published: May 10, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$8,350,000
2$2,350,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,750,000
Trades
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2.
TOR
  1. 2019 7th round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Korshkov, Yegor
  2. Marleau, Patrick ($3,125,000 retained)
  3. Sparks, Garret
  4. 2019 4th round pick (STL)
Retained Salary Transactions
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$82,123,449$0$215,000$1,376,551
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
RW
UFA - 6
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$767,500$767,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,593,750$2,593,750
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 3
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$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
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May 10, 2019 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
ya, they never happen because the chicken sh*t GMs cave and give into the players demands. Virtually always.


No... GM’s and Owners have a shared intrest in keeping salaries low. If everyone starts firing offersheets back and forth like cannons you will accomplish little other than inflating costs...
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May 10, 2019 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
No one is dumb enough to overpay Marner that much.


I think you'll be surprised. Not everyone has the forward firepower the Leafs do. And not everyone has a desirable market to sign in.

That would be the price say, the Islanders would have to pay.
May 10, 2019 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
No one is dumb enough to overpay Marner that much.


If they do and he reverts back to a 60-70 point player without Tavares... ouch... someone’s going to get their pee pee slapped
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May 10, 2019 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
No... GM’s and Owners have a shared intrest in keeping salaries low. If everyone starts firing offersheets back and forth like cannons you will accomplish little other than inflating costs...


If a GM in a market that struggles to find super stars has an opportunity to get one, they should do it. By the time these offer sheets materially impact salary inflation, half the GMs in the league will be elsewhere.
May 10, 2019 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: nyrcgg22
I think you'll be surprised. Not everyone has the forward firepower the Leafs do. And not everyone has a desirable market to sign in.

That would be the price say, the Islanders would have to pay.


But would they?
Low-key, I actually hope they would. They massively overperformed this season and 4 unprotected 1sts + an overpaid Marner crippling their cap situation? YES PLEASE!
May 10, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
Not OP but,
Have you heard the term bridge deal?


A bridge deal is 1 year, maybe 2 if the guy is still mostly "potential" and he thinks he needs a little more time to become top notch. Marner has 61, 69 and 94 points... 1 year if he really wants to help the team get past a sticky cap situation, but that is it, and frankly no reason for him to even do 1. 3 is unicorn town. Especially if it is so that they can afford to bring Zucker in at $5.5M.
May 10, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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If they do and he reverts back to a 60-70 point player without Tavares... ouch... someone’s going to get their pee pee slapped
May 10, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
But would they?
Low-key, I actually hope they would. They massively overperformed this season and 4 unprotected 1sts + an overpaid Marner crippling their cap situation? YES PLEASE!


You need to put yourself in their shoes. Some teams have to overpay. The Leafs don't, the Rangers don't... but some cold weather cities and some secondary markets do.
May 10, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: biglite351
A bridge deal is 1 year, maybe 2 if the guy is still mostly "potential" and he thinks he needs a little more time to become top notch. Marner has 61, 69 and 94 points... 1 year if he really wants to help the team get past a sticky cap situation, but that is it, and frankly no reason for him to even do 1. 3 is unicorn town. Especially if it is so that they can afford to bring Zucker in at $5.5M.


Bridge deals are possible at all levels for various reasons.
Matthews offered 3@9

And Marner was a 60-70 point player until he got a superstar centre to prop up his numbers.
There is obviously something to prove here.
May 10, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: biglite351
A bridge deal is 1 year, maybe 2 if the guy is still mostly "potential" and he thinks he needs a little more time to become top notch. Marner has 61, 69 and 94 points... 1 year if he really wants to help the team get past a sticky cap situation, but that is it, and frankly no reason for him to even do 1. 3 is unicorn town. Especially if it is so that they can afford to bring Zucker in at $5.5M.


This is what I'm saying. There is no benefit to Marner to bridge for 3 years at less than what he's worth. It's nice for Leafs fans, but makes really no sense for Marner. He's proven what he wanted to prove. Oh, and you told Tavares when he signed he'd have Marner flanking him...
May 10, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
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If a GM in a market that struggles to find super stars has an opportunity to get one, they should do it. By the time these offer sheets materially impact salary inflation, half the GMs in the league will be elsewhere.


No they will be right there waiting for them on their new team. Try to think of salaries as a whole across the league. The lower amount X is then the happier the owners are.
May 10, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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He is an RFA with no rights.
He literally has no leverage, it is by design.


Do you remember a guy, I think he played for the Leafs - Bill Nylander, I think....?
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May 10, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
No they will be right there waiting for them on their new team. Try to think of salaries as a whole across the league. The lower amount X is then the happier the owners are.


I think the assumption that the unique offer sheet scenario will have a material impact on all salaries is wrong. These are very rare scenarios. Just because you overpay a guy in an offer sheet does not mean the next guy in free agency gets to ask for more money than he would otherwise.


Everything should be looked at subjectively. What a guy signs to extend somewhere cannot be compared to what a guy signs in free agency. Leverage will dictate the dollar, not necessarily the players ability. If Marner gets $12M in an offer sheet, that doesn't mean Aho extends with CAR @ $12M in a year from now. (Not a perfect example but you know what I'm getting at).
May 10, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Propeller09
Do you remember a guy, I think he played for the Leafs - Bill Nylander, I think....?


Who asked for 8@8.5 and got 6@6.9 after the longest holdout in cap history.
May 10, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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And let me add to this by saying that there's more on an owners mind than just salary cap. A guy like Marner could make the difference in a secondary market from a half full building, to a packed house every night plus the playoffs.
May 10, 2019 at 2:51 p.m.
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I think the assumption that the unique offer sheet scenario will have a material impact on all salaries is wrong. These are very rare scenarios. Just because you overpay a guy in an offer sheet does not mean the next guy in free agency gets to ask for more money than he would otherwise.


Everything should be looked at subjectively. What a guy signs to extend somewhere cannot be compared to what a guy signs in free agency. Leverage will dictate the dollar, not necessarily the players ability. If Marner gets $12M in an offer sheet, that doesn't mean Aho extends with CAR @ $12M in a year from now. (Not a perfect example but you know what I'm getting at).


Please go back and read the first post of mine that you replied to.... I think you are moving goal posts.
May 10, 2019 at 2:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Please go back and read the first post of mine that you replied to.... I think you are moving goal posts.


Explain. Not trying to be rude, genuinely asking.
May 10, 2019 at 3:05 p.m.
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Explain. Not trying to be rude, genuinely asking.


I said if gm’s Start firing offersheets back and forth like cannons.

It is the cost effect coupled with the compensation that keeps gm’s From handing out offersheets.

All of these teams with cap space that are going to offersheet rfa’s (just Toronto though, point,Aho,Rantanen, Tkachuk and Mcavoy are all safe) all have rfa’s that will come die shortly and after they add their 12-13m marner will be In the same position to have their players sheeted.
May 10, 2019 at 3:11 p.m.
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Personally I would never trade Sandin or liljigren unless its a Top 2 or top 4 RHD WITH TERM. They are most likely going to be a top 4 pairing after next season in 20-21 or 21-22 for a long period of time.
May 10, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
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It will be tough to find money to pay the defence in the future!
May 10, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
Who asked for 8@8.5 and got 6@6.9 after the longest holdout in cap history.


Well, that's a little misleading. He got 6.9 for 5 1/2 years. Yes his cap hit is 6.9, but you can't tell me him missing half the season helped the team.
Bruins fan, so I might be a little jaded, but Marner is twice as good/Important.

The leverage he has is Sitting out. Yes, he would probably eventually sign, but It seems like the Bruins and Leafs are going to be battling for the next half decade, and I'm betting whichever team has home ice, likely wins the series. Also - he seems to have a pretty good relationship with Matthews who probably wouldn't be thrilled if they jerk him around.

Also - Not a great chance, but there are some teams with $ out there who may just swoop in with RFA offer. Admittedly unlikely, but if it were to happen it's going to be on a player of Marner's skill paired with a team who is facing some cap issues.
May 10, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I said if gm’s Start firing offersheets back and forth like cannons.

It is the cost effect coupled with the compensation that keeps gm’s From handing out offersheets.

All of these teams with cap space that are going to offersheet rfa’s (just Toronto though, point,Aho,Rantanen, Tkachuk and Mcavoy are all safe) all have rfa’s that will come die shortly and after they add their 12-13m marner will be In the same position to have their players sheeted.


Understood. They certainly want to avoid a war of offer sheets, but I doubt that would happen. We're in a unique situation this offseason with the all the players stated above being available. (Laine too). Not every team that gets offer sheeted would have the picks required to hand another one out. Moreover, I think the teams that are most likely to offer sheet are the ones that don't have anyone they're truly scared to lose. Take the Rangers for example... if they offer sheet someone, what are they really worried about? That someone offer sheets Kakko 3 years from now? That could be the case, but a lot changes in that timeframe.

Nevertheless, your point is well taken that there is no desire amongst the GMs and owners to cannibalize themselves.... but one must wonder why it's in the CBA to begin with. If there was ever a time to do it, it certainly seems like now. Although no one offer sheeted Stone, so you're probably right - will never happen.
May 10, 2019 at 8:18 p.m.
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Understood. They certainly want to avoid a war of offer sheets, but I doubt that would happen. We're in a unique situation this offseason with the all the players stated above being available. (Laine too). Not every team that gets offer sheeted would have the picks required to hand another one out. Moreover, I think the teams that are most likely to offer sheet are the ones that don't have anyone they're truly scared to lose. Take the Rangers for example... if they offer sheet someone, what are they really worried about? That someone offer sheets Kakko 3 years from now? That could be the case, but a lot changes in that timeframe.

Nevertheless, your point is well taken that there is no desire amongst the GMs and owners to cannibalize themselves.... but one must wonder why it's in the CBA to begin with. If there was ever a time to do it, it certainly seems like now. Although no one offer sheeted Stone, so you're probably right - will never happen.


For these high priced rfa’s you do not need consecutive picks... just any 4 1sts. If you look in the calculator here you will see that all teams are eligible. Even while the rangers are offersheeting buch they have a few rfa’s of their own, they don’t necessarily have to be high end stars.

Most gm’s Act civilized and are willing to try to negotiate a trade first before the offersheet. Little known fact but if an offersheet is not matched the two teams can still negotiate a trade rather than take the compensation. The entire point of offer sheets is not so much a tool for GM’s as it is for players who are not being offered fair contracts. I think a lot of people do not realize this.
 
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