The only one that may work would be the LAK trade because they get rid of $4m - I don't think it is enough value for the other two teams.

Yeah, I believe MTL would need to add in all 3 honestly. but the pieces they'd have to add wouldn't have to be big pieces compared to trying to acquire those players outright.

The only one I would want to do is the Leddy one. He's the youngest of the 3. Brodie is really good but is older and Martinez is much older and not nearly as good as the two other guys IMO.

well Brodie and Leddy are only 1 year apart. I agree Martinez is getting a little late (will be 32 by the time the season starts)

Something along the lines of:
15th + Lehkonen for 23rd + Leddy?
15th + 3rd rd pick (77th) + Hudon for 26th + Brodie?
15th + 2nd rd pick (50th) for 22nd + 2nd rd pick (33rd) + Martinez?

I guess it also depends on who's still available at 15th. If a bunch of the projected Dman have already been picked, you don't do this kind of deal, same for if a top projected player falls in their lap at 15th like Cozens. but if there are still plenty of D prospects available at 15th and you know one or more will still be there towards the end of the 1st rd, I think this kind of trade should be taken into consideration.

there is no way the Isles are trading leddy to move up 8 spots and a 3rd line wing. Leddy is the piece their using to either grab a really good futures package or the top 6 winger they need

Yeah ultimately I agree with this.

what would you have in mind if NYI would trade up with MTL?

trades moving up 8 spots in the 1st are a lot more significant than moving up 8 spots in the later rounds

this is all hypothetical of course, but realistically speaking, someone like Newhook, Podkolzin, Kaliyev, Lavoie will still be available at 15th, where at 23rd they are all gone. Aren't those players exactly what NYI are looking for? MTL don't necessarily need more wingers, and this years 1st rd seems to be pretty Dman heavy.

A puck moving top-4 LHD is not the price to move up 8 spots...

I'm just trying something different as opposed to the same old deals I'm seeing on ACGM. The whole point is trying to decrease the cost of someone like Leddy, by trading down in the draft. What would you think would need to be added?

something that's difficult to gauge is just how valuable is it to move up from 23rd overall to 15th. Looking at past drafts, teams that trade in the mid to early 1st rd, down or up, only move 1 or 2 spots, Moving 8 spots in the mid 1st rd almost never happens. and it's only late in 1st rd that it becomes more frequent, and then again, it's only 3 or 4 spots, and that kind of deal yields a solid asset back (early to mid 2nd rd pick usually).

so imo moving 8 spots into the mid 1st rd still has significant value. I agree that more needs to be added for someone like Leddy, and from the look of things someone like Lehkonen (where I'd like to think he has a value of two 2nds, but that's my very biased opinion lol) isn't enough. more can still be added!

If Montreal added a 3rd round pick to the trade, I could see the Kings moving Martinez to move up 7 spots.

lets entertain this for min.

Realistically, move up trades where 1st round picks are swapped, at that area of the draft generally work as such: team A trades up to Team B spot. and team A sends a 2nd or third round pick and Team B sends back a 4th or a 5th round pick. so without nick leddy even in the fold a traditional trade like this would be:

Isles Trade: 2019 1st round, 2019 2nd round
MTL Trade: 2019 1st round, 2019 5th round

a conservative view of what a futures package for Nick Leddy would look like: 1st and 2nd and 3rd.
thats a very conservative package, realistically a top 4 puck moving defenseman under 30 w 3 years of term should be worth more than that.

Trading Nick leddy for a top 6 forward from MTL: probably Tomas Tatar and a 3rd or 4th round pick

so I would guess it would have to look something like this:

Isles trade: Nick leddy, 2019 1st round pick(23rd), 2019 5th round pick (it probably should be a 4th round pick but the isles don't have one)
MTL Trades: 2019 1st round pick(15th), Tomas Tatar

Sound like an honest trade maybe a little in Mtl favor but on an all sound good . Reasoning is well expressed and make a lot of sense , good job . Im calling Marc but he is in Germany apparently (his wife said) (she said doN'T call that late , that what she said)

Leddy should be able to net the 15 OA pick by himself, Isles aren't adding their 1st round pick as a sweetener. Now, if Montreal was willing to add in Suzuki I can see Leddy and the 23rd OA for Suzuki and the 15 OA pick being a thing.

But as someone already mentioned, Leddy could potentially net multiple early round picks (1st and 2 2nds or 1st, 2nd and 3rd) just for being a Top 4 puck moving LHD. Add into that fact that multiple teams are going to be in on Leddy, which will drive the price up to where I can see Leddy landing a 1st round pick in the 10-20 range PLUS a top prospect.

the more I think about it, if Newhook is available at 15, i would pull the trigger on this

They went for europe combine , they're targetting a german defenceman i won't say his name tho .

now were talking.

A trade around Tatar and Leddy makes sense. both around the same age, similar salaries, similar term. and with Dman being the more valuable commodity, it would make sense for MTL trading down to make up that difference.
If you look at my reply to Joshelkin, trading of 1st rd picks is usually never more than 3-4 spots and happens more towards the end of the first rd (20th overall +), since NYI would be moving 8 spots and into the mid 1st rd (15th), I think that should get something better than the 2nd for a 5th swap you're referring to, but Leddy can already make up for some of that difference as well, so we can leave the swap as is.

Counter proposal:
To MTL. Leddy, 23rd overall, 2nd (from CGY, so it's a late 2nd rd pick).
To NYI, Tatar, 15th overall, 5th rd pick (or someone like Mike Reilly or Charles Hudon, take your pick).

furthest I'd go is add in a 2020 3rd round pick instead of the 2019 5th. not worth giving up the 2nd with no 3rd and 4th behind it and tomisino, McMichael and Pelletier available in the late 1st early second.

I heard they're looking at Seider but I doubt they'll go after him at 23 with Tomisino still on the board

European combines will become a lot more common for all teams. look at what happened with MTL last year. They held their own combine in Europe for those who didn't make it to the NHL combine, then selected Romanov early in the 2nd rd when he had a draft ranking of 100+ (somewhere in the 4th Rd), and even now he looks like a steal as a 2nd rd pick.

There high on Seider i can tell you that much .