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Risto

Created by: hgregg
Initial Creation Date: Jul 12, 2019
Published: Jul 12, 2019 at 5:29 am
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Brassard, Derick2$2,750,000
Dzingel, Ryan4$3,750,000
Trades
EDM
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Bear, Ethan
  3. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  4. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. 2020 4th round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
  • Eric Gryba: $300,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
  • Sam Gagner: $315,000 (10%)
Buried
  • Brandon Manning: $1,175,000 ($2,250,000)
  • Kyle Brodziak: $75,000 ($1,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
EDM
EDM
EDM
OTT
EDM
EDM
2021
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,711,999$0$2,457,500$1,788,001

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
Dzingel, Ryan
$3,750,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
Brassard, Derick
$2,750,000
C
UFA - 1
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Cave, Colby
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
EDM
Gagner, Sam
$2,835,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Jones, Caleb
$720,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Benning, Matthew
$1,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Jurco, Tomas
$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Persson, Joel
$1,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Haas, Gaëtan
$925,000
C
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Draisaitl, L.
Chiasson, A.
McDavid, C.
Ristolainen, R.
Power Play 2
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Brassard, D.
Kassian, Z.
Klefbom, O.
Gagner, S.
Penalty Kill 1
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Granlund, M.
Nurse, D.
Larsson, A.
Penalty Kill 2
Khaira, J.
Brassard, D.
Klefbom, O.
Jones, C.

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Jul 12, 2019 at 6:20
#1
Joined: Jun 2019
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That’s not to bad... maybe a little high on the buffalo trade. I’d hate to give up both Bear and the first.
Jul 12, 2019 at 6:55
#2
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 52
You add a good amount of value there but Lucic is a deal breaker for me. We're already dealing with Okposo's nasty contract, I've got no interest in adding one that's even worse.

Not to mention that most of the Sabres' fanbase absolutely despises Lucic.
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Jul 12, 2019 at 7:48
#3
Joined: Nov 2017
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Yea, we arent taking lucic.

That's ridiculous
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Jul 12, 2019 at 7:51
#4
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Quoting: Shootica
You add a good amount of value there but Lucic is a deal breaker for me. We're already dealing with Okposo's nasty contract, I've got no interest in adding one that's even worse.

Not to mention that most of the Sabres' fanbase absolutely despises Lucic.


Sorry, Okposo's contract is worse than Lucic's: https://theathletic.com/1070877/2019/07/11/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-the-10-worst-contracts-in-hockey/
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Jul 12, 2019 at 8:11
#5
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 52
Edited Jul 12, 2019 at 8:25


I disagree, they're just about identical contracts but I think Okposo is the better player now and has more potential to bounce back than Lucic does, simply because I don't think he was fully back from his health scare last season.

But either way it's semantics. They're both awful contracts and we don't want to have one let alone take on the other.
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Jul 12, 2019 at 8:46
#6
Go Sabs
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 845
Likes: 357


Lucic's is definitely worse. Okposo still put up 3rd line numbers. Lucic is just... yuck.
Jul 12, 2019 at 8:58
#7
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7,812
Likes: 1,856
Quoting: Smithcd995
Lucic's is definitely worse. Okposo still put up 3rd line numbers. Lucic is just... yuck.


Go read the article.

"Contract No. 2 from the hellscape summer of 2016. Many would put Lucic as worse than Okposo, and that’s mighty fair given he’s a worse player with a larger negative surplus value. What’s working in Lucic’s favour is a wider range of uncertainty than Okposo, giving him a slightly better chance to bounce back. His individual offensive numbers are much weaker, but his play-driving numbers are a little stronger, albeit still weak overall.

Honestly, there’s no sense splitting hairs with those two – neither are worth their compensation. At their price, the expectation is 5.9 wins over the next four years. My model has both at less than zero."
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Jul 12, 2019 at 9:04
#8
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 52
Quoting: CD282
Go read the article.

"Contract No. 2 from the hellscape summer of 2016. Many would put Lucic as worse than Okposo, and that’s mighty fair given he’s a worse player with a larger negative surplus value. What’s working in Lucic’s favour is a wider range of uncertainty than Okposo, giving him a slightly better chance to bounce back. His individual offensive numbers are much weaker, but his play-driving numbers are a little stronger, albeit still weak overall.

Honestly, there’s no sense splitting hairs with those two – neither are worth their compensation. At their price, the expectation is 5.9 wins over the next four years. My model has both at less than zero."


Man, it's an opinion piece. Just because it's published in the Athletic doesn't make it gospel.

It's perfectly valid to see either of those contracts as the worse of the two, as Luszczyszyn literally writes out in that quote.

Personally, I think the odds of Okposo showing improvement two years after an incredibly serious health scare are greater than the odds of Lucic turning his regression around, so I'd rather have him. And to me Okposo is the better player in the first place.

Either way, it doesn't matter because they're both objectively bad contracts.
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Jul 12, 2019 at 9:45
#9
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,081
Likes: 686
I like lucic better, he had a place in the league at one time, i dont resent that he murdered ryan miller, i resent that we didnt have a team built to respond. All that said, lucic was never a great skater and the game has passed him by. Okposo is an awful contract, but hes still an nhl player- i mean hes a 4th liner at this point.
Jul 12, 2019 at 10:31
#10
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 7,812
Likes: 1,856
Quoting: sabres89
Okposo is an awful contract, but hes still an nhl player- i mean hes a 4th liner at this point.


Are you insinuating that Lucic isn't a 4th line player? Because he is.
 
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