Lol your backyard neighbors don’t count

You're not right, so you're wrong

I’d argue that Marner after his entry level deal has done better compared to Kucherov at the time. Of course you can argue Kucherov played with Johnson, who is not as good as either Kadri and Tavares, but Kucherov’s PPG was .71 whereas Marner is at .92, still quite a difference. I would also argue Kucherov played on a better team as TBL was loaded with Hedman,Stamkos,Point and Bishop etc. I think Marner has demonstrated a better all round game plus more raw talent, so he should make more money than Kucherov’s 5.2 million dollars.

They will not. Honestly midway through the season I had Marner at 9.5 million on an 8 year deal. How times have changed.

Point wasn’t on the team then ....

Yeah, something is a lil fishy here..

Like I said, take the information or don't take it, I am just letting you know that 3 years at $10 million AAV has never been on the table.

I believe Point was on the team in Kucherov’s last season of ELC. Regardless, they still had an incredibly stacked team that got outplayed by the Penguins.

Haha you have no proof that it hasn’t happened

As I have been saying for a while now, I think Kucherov is an excellent comparable. People always seem to throw back at me the fact that Kucherov took a 'team friendly' deal to keep the Lightning intact while playing in a place (state) with no income tax. Individuals that use the income tax argument clearly do not know how income tax is calculated with NHL players. I maintain and agree with you that the Leafs should not go beyond the Kucherov deal, but as of this moment, Mitch Marner's play has not yet dictated that to be the case. He has not won a scoring race and he's not won an MVP trophy.

Point was 2016-17 rookie year. Kuch finished elc in 15-16

So 5.2 million dollars for Marner?

$9.5 million AAV over 8 years would be my max, and pro-rate that however you want to, if Marner wanted, say, only a 5 year term.

I don't think anything, I know that the information I get is reliable. In a lot of cases, if you hadn't noticed, those insider "sources" you are hearing about is coming from the players side, often to stir the pot.

That’s the same amount I originally had, but after seeing Skinner and Lee get 9 million, I have to think he’s worth more. Sure, Marner is only an RFA whereas the other 2 are UFAs. But, the bottom line is, Marner is far better than both those guys plus is younger, so if you want to lock him up for 8 years of course these talks will be affected.

Personally, I don't pay attention to WPG AGM's all that much, but that is also an absurd overpay.

Who’d you think has the higher ceiling, Laine or Marner?

Laine and it isn't even remotely close. He could be the next Ovi, he just needs to develop consistency

I agree, Laine at his best dwarfs Marner. Honestly, Laine is just a one dimensional goal scorer who waits around for his teammates to get him the puck. But when he’s on his game, he’ll score at astonishing rates which is important. Now I don’t think Laine is even close to Ovechkin at his best. Can’t compare a poacher to someone who has elite skill moves, speed and physicality.

You were asking about ceiling and I think he could turn into the next Ovi. Right now he is not there lol.

They can fit that into their cap.

I know what you’re saying. The thing is, I just don’t understand why everyone thinks Laine is similar to Ovechkin They are NOT. The only thing they have in common is shooting from distance. At the very least, I don’t think Laine has the raw talent of Ovie, such as the dangling skills, dekes, agility and speed. A comparable player to Patrik Laine would be Brett Hull, someone who had average puck skills and skating abilities but was an excellent shooter. Though of course Laine has more raw talent than him, but personally I think that is a closer comparison for his ceiling.

I know they can, but they don’t want to. The Leafs never believed Marner was worth over 8 million.

Yes cause you’re buddy buddy with duby

No some guys saying he has better sources than the experts