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Team: 2019-20 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 6, 2019
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BUF has a surplus of RD (Montour, Jokiharju, Miller) but LD behind Dahlin is not as strong (McCabe and Scandella)

I would take back Scandella to flip him, but I think BUF would rather do that themselves for the mid round pick(s)
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I know Hyman is recovering from an ACL injury and won't be ready to start the year. But he's a good middle-6 improvement and adding Ristolainen helps ease the loss of Mayfield
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Toronto gets their cost controlled RD who is strong in the defensive zone. Saves TOR $800k
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Prospect swap for guys who need a new home
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
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Hyman does not get you Mayfield. He's just too valuable to the Leafs, as far as his skill set being unique to this team (no other forwards really does what he does). A fair trade for Mayfield should be Bracco and a late round draft pick.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 12:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MG1986
Hyman does not get you Mayfield. He's just too valuable to the Leafs, as far as his skill set being unique to this team (no other forwards really does what he does). A fair trade for Mayfield should be Bracco and a late round draft pick.


Bracco hasn't done a thing at the NHL level. Don't think Lou cares if he's a hometown kid. Isles aren't in the position to take on more futures

Edit: also consider the length of contract. With injury Isles maybe have Hyman for 1.5 seasons? Mayfield is locked up for another 4
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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Hyman does not get you Mayfield. He's just too valuable to the Leafs, as far as his skill set being unique to this team (no other forwards really does what he does). A fair trade for Mayfield should be Bracco and a late round draft pick.


Isles laugh - an unproven prospect and a late round pick for a #4 defenseman making 1.45 AAV for the nexg 4 years is unrealistic
Aug. 6, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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The Leddy for Risto trade is definitely creative and in theory I'd love to add Risto, but I just don't see the need for it. The Isles need offense, and between Mayfield, Dobson, Wilde and Pulock, the Isles really don't need to worry about importing a young RHD. If they Isles are making a trade for a defenseman, we have far more need for a LHD.

I'm still holding out hope that Leddy lands us either a 2nd line RW or 3rd line scoring center, but honestly, I really don't see any urgent need to move Leddy. He's still a good defenseman for us and he'd probably yield far more for us at the TDL. I could see a bubble team with cap space seeking out an offenseman by then and we could probably get a 1st/2nd/3rd type trade for him by then, then flip that for whatever we need. Or use the picks to get rid of Ladd's contract.
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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I know mayfield is on a sweet deal and all thats great but he's not a 4th defenseman I'm sorry. He's a solid 5-6 guy, stop overvaluing him please. Secondly Bracco is unproven in the NHL but has more upside to him than Hyman does or Mayfield. Bracco needs one more year in the AHL to work on his 300foot game and become reliable defensively. If I were the leafs I would hold onto him for one more year to either insert him in the lineup or trade him at his best possible value. I think the islanders should stay away from getting Ristolainen. Great numbers (points wise) but his advanced stats and metrics suggest he is more of stat patter and not a true num 1 or 2 defenseman. If you want to check out his advanced stats check out Hockey-referrence.com. I think it would be better to hold onto leddy for a better trade or keep him and see how things play out next season. I don't think islanders should trade for Hyman because what the islanders need is more goals, Hyman managed to pot 20 last year but if you paid attention you would know around 3-4 of them were empty netters and when you play with Marner and Tavares your stats will always make a jump. No disrespect to Hyman cuz I love what he brings to the leafs but I think the islanders should search out more natural goal scorers, weather that be through trade or free agency.

I like the one year deal for Boyle no risk really, I don't think Michael Dal Colle will make 1 million this year, he's a fourth liner that doesn't score and will probably make anywhere from 700k to 925k but I just can't justify a million dollar deal after 3 goal season. Trevor Moore is playing on a deal worth 775k and Moore seems to have more upside than dal Colle respectively. But both are relatively the same players in worth/value.

Also I could see beauvillier taking a one year gamble on himself to try and have a better season and make more money next year on a longer deal much like Andreas Johnsson who bet on himself.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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I understand the Hyman and Ho sang moves but I don’t know what gm would trade risto for Leddy, yes they play similar minutes but buffalo has a surplus of dmen because they haven’t found guys to build around the core of risto and dahlin, plus leddy is much older than risto and the last thing buffalo is trying to do is get older. It’s a creative move that would never happen.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 1:54 p.m.
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I wouldn't do the BUF deal. We also have a log-jam at RHD, so adding Ristolainen doesn't really help in the short-term or long-term.

No risk in the EDM deal unless Puljujarvi is signed to too much money, so I'm all for it.

Quoting: MG1986
Hyman does not get you Mayfield. He's just too valuable to the Leafs, as far as his skill set being unique to this team (no other forwards really does what he does). A fair trade for Mayfield should be Bracco and a late round draft pick.


I definitely think we need to add to Mayfield. Not a lot more, but I do think Hyman is a little more valuable than Mayfield. I'd probably add a 3rd or a prospect like Wotherspoon, Vande Sompel, or Durandeau.

Isles wouldn't do Bracco for Mayfield. That doesn't make much sense for us.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 2:01 p.m.
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I wouldn't do the BUF deal. We also have a log-jam at RHD, so adding Ristolainen doesn't really help in the short-term or long-term.

No risk in the EDM deal unless Puljujarvi is signed to too much money, so I'm all for it.



I definitely think we need to add to Mayfield. Not a lot more, but I do think Hyman is a little more valuable than Mayfield. I'd probably add a 3rd or a prospect like Wotherspoon, Vande Sompel, or Durandeau.

Isles wouldn't do Bracco for Mayfield. That doesn't make much sense for us.


Risto situation ends up in a couple ways...
1) He regains his form under Trotz. Starts to look like that "untouchable" prospect again that BUF fans thought he was. Then, he's locked up for 2 more years at a reasonable number. That means we can either look to trade Wilde (for a sick young forward) orrrrrr Pulock (?) depending on his asking price? Put that money towards a forward and run with Risto-Dobson-Wilde. Again, this is only if Risto regains form.

2) He stays about the same and we can flip him in like 2 seasons (when Wilde is ready) for similar pick(s)/player to what we would have got for Leddy. I agree LD is weaker compared to RD but I think we can make it work for a couple seasons.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Bracco hasn't done a thing at the NHL level. Don't think Lou cares if he's a hometown kid. Isles aren't in the position to take on more futures

Edit: also consider the length of contract. With injury Isles maybe have Hyman for 1.5 seasons? Mayfield is locked up for another 4


You are trading a good prospect for a 5-6 defender on a good contract. So there is term/control on both sides here.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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Isles laugh - an unproven prospect and a late round pick for a #4 defenseman making 1.45 AAV for the nexg 4 years is unrealistic


Scott Mayfield is not a top-4 defenseman. Maybe someday he gets there, but he is not right now. The fact that you have such a high perception of merely an average defender (based on stats), on a good contract makes me think this is not a discussion worth having with you.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 2:56 p.m.
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Scott Mayfield is not a top-4 defenseman. Maybe someday he gets there, but he is not right now. The fact that you have such a high perception of merely an average defender (based on stats), on a good contract makes me think this is not a discussion worth having with you.


His HDCF/60 + HDCA/60 as well as his CF/60 + CA/60 say he is a 2nd pairing defenseman so I don’t know where you’re getting the “based on stats” argument from. Seems like a subjective take to me...#leafsfever
Aug. 6, 2019 at 3:02 p.m.
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You are trading a good prospect for a 5-6 defender on a good contract. So there is term/control on both sides here.


I'm saying Hyman versus Mayfield. Bracco isn't getting it done
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.
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I'm saying Hyman versus Mayfield. Bracco isn't getting it done


Bracco and a mid-round pick gets it done, whether that is something you would like to believe or not.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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His HDCF/60 + HDCA/60 as well as his CF/60 + CA/60 say he is a 2nd pairing defenseman so I don’t know where you’re getting the “based on stats” argument from. Seems like a subjective take to me...#leafsfever


The kid plays 18 minutes a night. Does a top-4 defender play 18 minutes a night? I don't think so. His career Corsi and Fenwick numbers are not indicative of him being labelled a top-4. Like I said, maybe some day he gets there, but he is not a top-4 right now.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.
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Bracco and a mid-round pick gets it done, whether that is something you would like to believe or not.


What purpose does Bracco serve other than a future? We have enough of those. Wahlstrom, Bellows, Koivula, Holmstrom, (you could even argue MDC and JHS belong here). Bracco hasn't proven a thing. The Isles aren't trading their cost controlled, fringe top-4D for a future. You're getting that middle-9 F with some upside who can contribute right away.

Hyman for Mayfield gets it done, whether that is something you would like to believe or not.
 
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