Marners camp has lost its mind

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Created by: TH13

Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 6, 2019

Published: Aug. 6, 2019

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Asking for a bridge deal at 3 x 10 million according to reports.
https://www.rotoworld.com/hockey/nhl/player/26416/mitch-marner

Give your head a shake.
Sit out a season bud ,enjoy the couch.

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Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Mikheyev, Ilya $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Åberg, Pontus $700,000$700,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 4	Moore, Trevor $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW NTC UFA - 1	Petan, Nicolas $775,000$775,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2
Marchment, Mason $767,500$767,500 ($132,500$132K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1	Wilson, Garrett $725,000$725,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

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Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Ceci, Cody $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 1	Hutchinson, Michael $700,000$700,000 G UFA - 1
Kivihalme, Teemu $792,500$792,500 ($132,500$132K) LD UFA - 1	Schmaltz, Jordan $700,000$700,000 RD UFA - 1
	Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1

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	Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Clarkson, David $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
		Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1

Aug. 6, 2019 at 9:56 p.m.

#51

MisstheWhalers

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Quoting: Isles777

Dubas couldn’t negotiate and buy even one of Matthews UFA years - guy has great vision but not a guy you want signing big name players

Didn't he buy one of Matthews UFA years?
His ELC was 3 seasons and then he signed his 5 year-$11.634M contract, I thought the RFA period was 4 years, maybe I'm wrong about that.

Regardless, for $11+ million you'd hope to get a few of a players UFA years.

Aug. 6, 2019 at 9:57 p.m.

#52

Sign_em_up000000

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Well you cannot blame Mitch Marner for being unwilling to stand up. He doesn’t want to end up getting into a fight with his dad like Patrick O’Sullivan.

But maybe just maybe that's exactly what needs to happen IF Paul truly is that bad.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 9:59 p.m.

#53

Sign_em_up000000

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Quoting: Vortex

Cameron said it best, literally most fan bases hate on this situation saying hes worth = or more to Matthews. I just wish leafs fans dont actually take it

I think this thread is proof we don't

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:00 p.m.

#54

Agent_Of_R9

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

But maybe just maybe that's exactly what needs to happen IF Paul truly is that bad.

It is a tough situation for Mitch.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:04 p.m.

#55

TH13

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Quoting: Johnjohn

Can’t wait til he sign for 3X 9.5 and proves these dummies don’t have a clue

Coming from the guy who in his own ACGM teams has him signing 7 x 11mil and who now thinks 3 x 9.5 mil is fair.
Look John lets agree to disagree. when it comes down to it, he will sign what he signs, half the leafs fans will be upset until he puts up points and the other half will think its a good deal.
Either way whether I have a clue or you have a clue doesn't really matter.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.

#56

Sign_em_up000000

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Quoting: NickC1988

"Unfortunately with a cap"

Don't blame the cap for poor salary management. There are teams that won cups in the past decade (Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh) with tight cap hits.

Toronto fans are by far the most consistent when it comes to over valuation of players.

You think the leafs have “poor salary management"? Maybe, after all, we do have the largest following... Nonetheless, every team has their fair share of them as well as reasonable, unbiased, fans, the leafs aren't the only ones privy too this distinction.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:08 p.m.

#57

TH13

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

It is a tough situation for Mitch.

I would agree with that completely. Thats why when discussing it I always say "Marner's Camp".
Id love for Marner to have a great career with or without the leafs. But as has been said in this thread we are all just wearing thin with whoever is running this negotiating campaign for Mitch to be the highest paid RFA winger of all time.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:10 p.m.

#58

Agent_Of_R9

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Quoting: TH13

Yes but the issue is, everyone is acting like Mitch is the bad guy.

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:10 p.m.

#59

blowing_the_zone

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

He was on the Leafs radio show a few months ago:

https://deanblundell.com/sports/the-athletic-wrote-a-hit-piece-on-mitch-marners-dad-paul-marner-and-he-was-more-than-happy-to-help/

Oh, that's some painful reading taking in Paul's quotes. Like next level crazy.

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:13 p.m.

#60

blowing_the_zone

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Yes but the issue is, everyone is acting like Mitch is the bad guy.

I don't see it like that at all. Everyone sees it as amatuer hour and a hack job with the tactics they're using. Mitch's job isn't to negotiate, he has people for that. They just all kinda come off as, well, morons

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:13 p.m.

#61

TH13

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Yes but the issue is, everyone is acting like Mitch is the bad guy.

When its your name on the back of the jersey and your signature on the contract that tends to happen, even when it isn't the players fault.
I would agree with you that Marner himself has taken a hit in the media and that is also why when asked by reporters he keeps saying he isn't involved and I for one believe that.
Once he laces up the skates and puts up points again his reputation will be as good as gold.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:16 p.m.

#62

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

It is a tough situation for Mitch.

How we deal with “tough situations" in life defines who we are, and what we're capable of

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:19 p.m.

#63

blowing_the_zone

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

How we deal with “tough situations" in life defines who we are, and what we're capable of

Now we're getting to the good stuff..

Really, if inking a multi million dollar deal at 22 is a tough situation then I'd like a second helping of that hardship, please sir

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:19 p.m.

#64

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Quoting: blowing_the_zone

Now we're getting to the good stuff..

Really, if inking a multi million dollar deal at 22 is a tough situation then I'd like second helping of that hardship, please sir

Hey, you and me both

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:21 p.m.

#65

Isles777

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

You are correct - I agree, even Chiarelli was able to lock up McDavid to 8 years at a reasonable cap hit. If McDavid hit free agency in 3-4 years he would get 15 mill lol

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:26 p.m.

#66

palhal

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Quoting: TH13

As a guy who loves Marner's game both skill and the effort he puts out, at 3 x10m or 3 x 11m as has also been reported. leafs would be better off with 4 firsts and the cap room.
Which is also why I think no one will offer sheet him because they would be helping the Leafs out.
Leafs with 10mil in cap space a 4 firsts to trade to plug some holes.... I don't think any team right now in the league wants that to happen.

Good point. So many look at the compensatory picks only. The Leafs would have 10m they have allotted on other players. Maybe not this year as it's late in the UFA season.
And all these Leafs haters, saying the Leafs should sign Marner at any cost. They never seem to suggest that THEIR team makes an overpay offer sheet to Marner.....no it's just the Leaf that have to overpay.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:26 p.m.

#67

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Leaking offers to the press to make your star player look bad.

Embarrassing

Clearly, you haven't been following these negotiations as the leafs haven't leaked anything it's been all Marner's camp as a negotiation tactic (that hasn't worked btw)

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:27 p.m.

#68

TH13

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Quoting: Isles777

You are correct - I agree, even Chiarelli was able to lock up McDavid to 8 years at a reasonable cap hit. If McDavid hit free agency in 3-4 years he would get 15 mill lol

Luckily for the Oilers McDavid didn't see the tire fire when he signed his contract. He made everyone else in the league go " Oh I don't want to be stuck" lol
But I agree, Leaf's handed Matthews a blank cheque.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:32 p.m.

#69

palhal

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Leafs fans had all those years of Ferguson, Burke, and Nonis to know what bad cap management can do to a team. Now the Leafs are tight agains the cap with a good team. There are some non playoff teams that are tight against the cap. Gee, Tampa, Calgary, Boston, Winnipeg probably can't sign their own RFAs long term with further roster adjustment.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:36 p.m.

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Isles777

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Quoting: palhal

The thing is leafs fans (not all) have unrealistic expectations. They want to be able to keep Matthews, nylander, and marner at reasonable cap hits after giving Tavares 11 mill - and acquire a top 4 defenseman by trading bracco and a 2nd.

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:37 p.m.

#71

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Quoting: Isles777

You are correct - I agree, even Chiarelli was able to lock up McDavid to 8 years at a reasonable cap hit. If McDavid hit free agency in 3-4 years he would get 15 mill lol

Your example is the reason why players aren't signing long-term deals anymore

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:38 p.m.

#72

TH13

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Quoting: Isles777

I'd agree with that assessment lol
But i'll take Tavares and cap issues over no Tavares any day

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:39 p.m.

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Isles777

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Quoting: TH13

I'd agree with that assessment lol
But i'll take Tavares and cap issues over no Tavares any day

Agreed but something has to give - one of marner/nylander should be traded for D IMO

Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles777

Dubas couldn’t negotiate and buy even one of Matthews UFA years - guy has great vision but not a guy you want signing big name players

C'mon, if don't like the Leaf fine, but don't make stuff up to try to win an argument of when Matthews was UFA eligible. . But agree it was a bad contract as was Nylander. But I can't blame Dubas specifically. MLSE has a so many hockey and sports executives, where was their input?

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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:41 p.m.

#75

TH13

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Quoting: Isles777

Agreed but something has to give - one of marner/nylander should be traded for D IMO

Agree with you there as well
*cough* Nylander *cough*

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