Faulk isn't worth a 1st...ever.

You overpaid Gardiner. And make the 4th a 3rd

That's a big wrong, and that sir is why Toronto have 7 D men that are UFA's at the end of next season. Faulk would EASILY improve your top 4 something dumb. You'd have Rielly - Faulk Muzzin - Barrie Dermott - Schmaltz or something, and you get out from under the Ceci contract

In which trade? Their are multiple 4th round picks moving here. Please specify?

1 year of Faulk is not worth anywhere close to that price.

My bad. In the L.A. deal.

As a leafs fan, it's a fair/good deal for both teams.

Or you can just not spend needless assets to get Faulk who is a much lesser player than Barrie and instead promote Dermott to play with Rielly and then see who earns the bottom pair minutes. Faulk doesn't move the needle that much. He's a good player but he's redundant in TO. Personally I'd rather see Liljegren be given an opportunity. I think he's a much better player than people think, mainly because he was misrepresented when he was drafted. People seem to see him as a Karlsson type but he's not going to be an offensive force. He'll be a slick skating defensive guy.

Also I always love how fans on here will talk a guy up only to trade him. If you think so highly of him, why don't you keep him?

What How When

Did Faulk get this kind of value?!?!

1year of Faulk is worth Ceci, 2nd, 4th and 6th.

Don't see Avs or Kings doing that.

Pesce Hamilton TvR... Faulk is surplus to requirement. This is just to free up the log jam Carolina have and Toronto need an upgrade. We can debate until the cows can come home about what Toronto need to do, but at the end of the day they have defensive needs, and Carolina have defensive surplus. If Faulk isn't the man for you, I can change the deal, but you have a need and Carolina have the assets to fix it, you also move a contract that makes Lucic look respectable. 400k more for a playerwho's 400x better than Cody Ceci

It's a combination of Faulk and taking back Ceci

Okay I shall fix that

Tbh neither can I... I just wanna see the uproar of leafs fans...

You don't have to convince me that Ceci isn't good. I don't have him in the top 4 long term. If anything, he may get a shot with Rielly to build up his value so he can be flipped for something else. Faulk isn't a target for me at all. I am not a fan of his game. I'd rather see the Leafs get a deal for Tanev in Vancouver, who's more what they need.

Rielly - Tanev
Muzzin - Barrie
Dermott - Liljegren

Would be beyond good enough to contend. It would also cost far less and resigning Tanev would be way cheaper as well. You could probably get him for 2 years at less than he makes now due to all his injuries.

Or, you can get a top 4 D man in Faulk who very rarely misses games, has become a lot more solid defensively from when he was a scoring 15 powerplay goals a year (yes he actually did that). You may not be a fan of Faulk, but in the end, it's gonna take FAR more to pry Tanev out of Vancouver. Look at what the BAD Tanev makes, then you wanna look at the good one? I think you'll be surprised by the leverage he has over Toronto. The leafs need him more than he needs the leafs rn, he wasn't a home grown talent (as in come through the farm) he has no loyaltys with the organisation. Faulk and Tanev will have comparable contracts, and Faulk plays more often.... I'm not trying to sell him to you, we've crossed this bridge before, but he makes a lot of sense for Toronto, and I have significent doubts that the Canucks would take on Ceci, because they need to find space for Boeser as is. It's a combination of things that will end up showing you, your ideal trade partner is Carolina

Carolina has been an "ideal trading partner" for a long time and its always been Carolina trying to fleece the Leafs. Pesce for Nylander and now Faulk for a first. There was even a time when you guys were trying to send TVR for Kapanen.

Faulk is going to demand way too much next year so this trade is sending mutliple assets for a guy who's going to walk. Full stop, not interested. Ceci isn't very good but perhaps he plays better than he has in the past. He was after all, playing in Ottawa and they have been terrible for a while now. Perhaps a change in scenery will do him good, if not, its one year and not a big deal.

Always the same story isn’t it. Personally I would rather just take a flyer on ceci and see how it ends up. To me the trade value is just no good.

You're not moving a 1st for him unless he resigns. 1st of all Nylander for Pesce is a bad deal for Carolina, TvR for Kapanen was more to piss off leafs fans. Faulk for picks is fair, because not only do you lose the 4500000 of Ceci, you gain 300k and a player who's MUCH better quality. Faulk may be a piece Toronto need to... loan behold, win a playoff series.

What's the issue here? You lose the Ceci asset and gain a player who... is actually good! It's not a 1st rounder unless you resign him, and it's a future second rounder. Please explain to me why you don't want to turn CODY CECI into one of the better D men on one of the deepest D cores in the league? There may be a genuine reason, I just don't understand

You are talking like Ceci is under contract for years. He's not, he'll be let go this summer unless he proves he's valuable in which case he may be open to a small term extension to prove it wasn't a fluke, or he gets let go. Low risk high reward.

Carolina's strength is in their system more than anything. Take any one player from their unit and make him carry the play without the full system supporting him and who knows how well they'd do. Faulk wasn't as good defensively when the team as a whole wasn't as good. Its very reasonable to expect him to drop off massively when asked to do more. Faulk has issues as a defender, many issues, much like Jake Gardiner. The Leafs moved away from that because his strengths aren't needed.

You're talking like there's a chance he'll be good.... Ceci is better being bought out than he is actually playing. Faulk is good on his skates, good defensively and known for his offence. He's a solidified top 4 RD man. Perfect for your second pair. I'm not going to continue this debate regarding Faulk. Just know that Ceci is a HORRIFIC player, you'll envy the days of Matt Hunwick

System? The system was put in place because of the blue line. Slavin Hamilton Pesce Faulk De Haan Van Reimsdyk was one of the best bluelines in hockey last year with De Haan moving to open a space for Fleury. The D core drives the system, this isn't New York with the islanders where 6 no ones turned into great D men. There were 6 great D men here, and each did a fantastic job. I agree Faulk's strengths are similar to Gardiners, but Faulk is a very low risk high reward acquirement. If he doesn't work let him walk and you still have your 1st rounder, if he's an absolute fire, you can move him elsewhere. It is VERY low risk and VERY high reward for Toronto I think