That's all fair. My last agm had the leafs trading Marner and Ceci for Hall and Vatanen and loading up for a cup run this year. It would give Mitch the option of signing an existing offer from the leafs or the AM deal but getting traded later in the day to Jersey. It was a thought exercise, to see how Ferris would spun that option. and then somebody made me do an agm for 20/21 based of that... and I was still on my first coffee.......

In that situation I would want to resign Vatanen.
But this was good, interesting idea.

No chance Blues let him leave

Either or really. Vatanen is maybe cheaper, idk. But Spurgeon is definitely smaller. That fits our m.o.

It looks good ?, I like the Spurgeon trade alot more if we are able to extend him as you have here. I didn't miss Hyman sliding over to his strong side! I've seen many AGMs on here not wanting Hyman because he's a LW, but I remind them that he is a natural RW who was forced to his offside outta necessity.

My take is that Berry is a rental. I think the conversation with Sakic went something like a few years of certainty with Kadri for a younger and much less proven Kerfoot (conditional on being extended) with Berry being the difference (given it seems like he was going to test the market... plus the avs seem to be loaded everywhere moving forward, especially on d..) and then Rosen being thrown in as a nice depth piece. I really like the deal for both teams, even if we lose Berry, which I think we do, and given that i don't think the avs were going to extend Berry given what he might want (8m/aav??)

Maybe the idea is the leafs keep Muzzin. By why not go after Spurgeon? I absolutely trust Tansors take on him. Who knows? Maybe Dert and Hyman get flipped and we could keep Spurgeon and Muzzin??

But if Hyman gets to play his strong side for a year with Hall and JT, then Babs will have the hockey world believing Hyman > Wilson... so, scrap all of this! Maybe we should just sign Richy Mitch to AM money.

It's all so hopeless..

Trade Dermott? Come on, we need him.
He likely commands about 3 million and that works for us.

Always envisioned Dermott replacing Muzzin once he hits UFA.

I'm not sure about that for a few reasons. The first is this Sadin kid. Who is he? I mean, he could be another Reilly.. and that's not a stretch. We wont know for a while. Or he could be nothing like that.

Second, who is Dert? He's a pretty awesome 3rd pair ld from what we've seen so far, but that's all we've seen. Can he be that good as a second pair d? Without sheltering? Personally, I think so.. but who knows.

Thirdly, how does this all play out in the next expansion draft? Dert needs to be protected. Does Hyman? I really don't know with his partial NTC..

But I do know we don't need to worry about Sandin and Lily.

So, 7 f and 3 d, within this fairy tale..

F - AM, JT, Hall, Nylander, Kap, Johnsson, Kerfoot
D - Reilly, Spurgeon, Muzzin..

All very good points. I think we're on the same page. Berrie is likely a rental although, we'll have to see how he performs. I like the idea of going after Spurgeon assuming he makes it to FA...but my top target would be Hamonic, assuming he would sign here, as he would cost less.

It sure seems hopeless but we'll have to see how the Mitch situation & the season plays out. I trust Kyle to find a solution!

Yes Dermott will need to be protected, only him and Reilly as it stands right now.
We dont have 3rd D to protect atm for the expansion draft.

I suspect Hyman is not protected due to other young players here with skill.
Hyman's time with Leafs will likely be done at the end of his current deal if not sooner, its just reality.

How much $$$ do you think Spurgeon gets?
More than Myers imo

That all depends on how his season goes, I'm not talking about him taking a step back but rather if Minny is ouuta it by the deadline and trade him to a contender a good playoffs could increase his value. Personally, I think 7 is the starting point as of right now and I would cap him off at around 9 depending on term. But this is just my opinion.

F it. Let's throw in something else, too. I want Staal

Deemott will not be traded, he's playing sheltered minutes now but he has #4 potential IMO.

You are correct! Personally, I think Hyman gets traded before his current contract expires...if I had to guess I would say either at the TDL (at the earliest) or more likely next offseason.

Which one?

One thing I heard about Hamonic is that he will breakdown sooner than suspected, and I cant say that's not possible.
Age will be factor when handing out a deal more than 3 years term.

Same with Spurgeon, for that reason I like DeMelo and Vatanen more.

I know the title of this ACGM has fantasy within it and sure you're allowed to dream but I doubt St. Louis let's Pietrangelo walk as a UFA especially after accomplishing something some very talented D couldn't do in that city.

I'll bet you 50 bucks there's more than a 50/50 chance he does... he would bring something back.

Plus, that Sandman kid..

The old guy. In Minnesota

The thing about Dermott is he was on his way to becoming a 3rd/4th D (very reliable) pair until he got injured. Can he bounce back?
Look...it's not going to be easy for him especially because this core of D has been particularly weak in their own end and missing training camp and the first month or two of regular season games will have him in a very tough spot.
Frankly I'm surprised more Leafs fans aren't concerned about Dermott because of this.



So.... @blowing_the_zone started with giving Spurgeon 7 million and when I brought that up @BCAPP backed him up saying 7 million per was about how much Spurgeon should get.
I'm okay with 7 million and you know with Josi probably getting 8-9 million...7 million seems about right for Spurgeon.

True, true, but i bet NYI and CBJ ( and many more ) had the same feelings about their Stars before they hit FA.....you know where im going

I agree, but I'd still take the risk with Hamonic as Dubas has shown he can move out an underperforming player if need be...also, I'm not sold on DeMelo yet personally, and I'd rather bring back Muzzin instead of signing Vatanen, but again, just my opinion.

It would be depending on what he would bring back, but I don't see it being worth it. We could either go

Reilly
Dermot
Sandin

On the left or slide Dermott over to the right as he does pretty well on his offside.

I thought so at first... But then got worried you were talking about Mark lol.