Incoming NYI fans saying no and offering scraps instead cause “wE DoNT WaNT TO OffER QuAliTy cAuSE LAinE iS 1 DimEnsiOnAl”

No, but you are going to get NYI fans (including me) saying we're not trading our top-pairing defenseman, our top prospect, and a 1st round pick for a guy who is good but needs to get PAID. Even if this was fair (it's not), the Islanders trading Martin and Greiss to shed cap makes no sense. We don't have a cap problem this year, it's next year, so we'd have to give you guys like Clutterbuck, Komarov, or Ladd if you want to take a cap dump.

I'm also not sure why you wouldn't be interested in Leddy, Bellows, or Wilde. Leddy is a top-4 defenseman on a good contract. Bellows had an off year but he's still a good prospect. Bode Wilde was a steal at his draft spot and is looking like a legit top-4 prospect. Those guys are valuable. MDC I kind of get, but he looked solid last year.

I think Griess is weird and same with Martin don’t get me wrong. I think the isle like them a lot and don’t need to move them or for this certain trade as Griess is gonna he looked at a lot this year and Martin has really thrived with NYI. But as for Wahl and Pulock. Laine is an elite scorer (notice how I say scorer) and he can become a generational shooter (his potential). You can choose pulock or Dobson but one has to go. Bellies and Wilde are great but I’ve heard to many isles fans not give raving reviews on the two in recent time. Leddy also had a down year (mainly offensively). The jets want impactful young guys as Laine is an impactful young guy. Giving those other guys you names as cap dumps is the correct proposal rather than what this AGM suggested but the value is there. Maybe take the first out and change it idk but pulock or Dobson would have to be going back I’d think.

100% Pulock or Dobson is going back or there is no trade.

If the Isles make a trade for Laine that includes Pulock or Dobson, Lou needs to be fired immediately (and I love Lou and what he's done for this team so far). Including either of those guys for a player like Laine (Yes, he's a great goal scorer, but yes he is also a one dimensional player) is terrible asset management and hurts the team more than it helps.

Leddy and some combination of Mayfield/Wilde/Wahlstrom/Bellows/JHS/MDC and picks should be more than enough to get Laine.

Laine is an elite goal scorer but everything else about his game is “replacement level” quality.

Still not opposed to trading for him, but if WPG GM asks for one of pulock or Dobson, you move on. Not worth it.

It isn't. We don't need any Left D or Wingers and futures aren't ideal either as we have Buff, Wheeler and Little that are going to start declining. Our window is now so we need a today 1b C or top 4 RHD or else it makes no sense to the jets.

To elaborate for LHD we have Morrissey, Niku (Ahl Defenseman of the year in his rookie season), Stanley (1st round pick), Samberg (2nd round pick) and Heinola (1st round pick) as near ready players. Adding more players to this backlog doesn't help as we then need to make additional trades to get the parts we do need in a young 2c (preferably a 1b type) or a top pair RHD. If we're not getting either of those things there is no trade to be made. We don't need even 5 quarters for a dollar here through volume of lower end prospects and picks.

If you don't want to move Pulock or Dobson I get it, but then there is no trade. It sounds like that's the case so there shouldn't be anymore Laine to the Isles proposals on here.

Ok, but just because it's not what WPG wants in a trade, doesn't mean it's not fair value for Laine. Just like WPG may think Pulock or Dobson for Laine is fair because they want a RHD, but the Isles won't do it because it's not what they want for their team.

Second, you said your window is now, you don't hink Leddy will help your D more than any of those young guys who may struggle in their first year? Plus, Wahlstrom could theoretically make the team this year with a strong camp. Wilde is likely to be NHL ready next season, but like Wahlstrom, could make the team this year with a strong camp so neither of them is as far off as you think.

Third, no one is going to offer a #1 D, #2 C and draft picks for Laine, it's just not happening for a guy whose only asset is to score goals. It's also becoming increasingly obvious WPG doesn't want to pay Laine what he's asking and even more likely (given recent reports) Laine does not want to stay in WPG long term.

Lastly, the rumored ask for Laine is an NHL D-man, B Prospect and a draft pick. There is also a rumored Isles package of Mayfield, Bellows, Wilde, a 1st and a 2nd... so WPG fans may want to start tempering their expectations on what a Laine return is going to look like.

To be clear, under no circumstances to I think the Jets should trade Laine unless we are adding to him to get one even better player.

Unfortunately for Laine as an RFA without arb rights all he can do is sit out the season and Chevy won't fold like Dubas did. I'd rather control Laine for his age 25 season than his age 21 season so if he wants to sit the year he can. If someone decides to try to white knight the situation and offersheet him we'll match. Rumours are rumours and for sure aren't coming out of TNSE. If the rumoured offers were really enough than the trade would already be done. Just something to think about to temper your expectations.

The Jets don't want to move Laine, don't have to move Laine and don't have to bend to the contract that Laine wants as he has no rights other than playing in the KHL (for less than what the Jets would pay), sitting out the year or accepting a contract that is fair and works for the Jets. Even if it ends up being a one year "show me" deal. They did that with Hellebuyck and then paid him when he put up numbers. They bridged JMo and will pay him now that he's our #1 D.

People can ask for whatever they want, but if they want to play hockey in the best league in the world making multiple millions of dollars they also need to either entice an offersheet like Aho or work with the team that has their rights for a deal that works for everyone. Once they become a UFA they can go to the highest bidder and play wherever you want, but you need to earn that right.