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TML 2020 is that a thing now

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2019
Published: Oct. 4, 2019
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.
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Someone forgot to tell Sakic about "New Era"


Their average age is two years below the league average, so I guess he was told about it.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.
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Emerging of Sandin just made him expendable, 900k Sandin doing the work for next two that Dermott will do fro 2M+, ppl are yelling Barrie is top of the tops

Always using logic, when questioned and pushed into corner i go to check Evolving to see how far off i am, they have him at 4 x 5,375M

the Ds in FA at 2019/2020.....always a question who will land there for sure...


This whole statement is borderline incoherent.

But since you used the word logic, does it not sound logical to say, the emergence of Sandin and Dermott and having Rielly on the team mean the Left side of the defence is both extremely cheap and very good with massive upside? Yeah I guess the logically thing to do is move one of the young guys with upside so we can overpay an aging vet in Free agency when one would also be bidding against other teams. Yay logic.
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:08 p.m.
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Their average age is two years below the league average, so I guess he was told about it.


6 x 9,2M....not just eyes, brains are required for reading too...
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:10 p.m.
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Someone forgot to tell Sakic about "New Era"


Or one could, you know, look at the whole situation and come to the conclusion that 1) Rantanen didn't want to miss time, we all see how that worked out for Nylander 2) Sakic had the ability to wait to the 11th hour like TO did last year. So with both of those facts mentioned and considered, Rantanen took a million less a year than Marner to prevent himself from missing time. Its a negotiation and due to Colorado's large amount of cap space, Rantanen had a little less leverage than Marner did.

And before you point to all the other RFA's who took 2 or 3 year deals as a "See, what about them" how much money do you think Point is going to command if he is only just as good as he was last year for the next 3 years? How much money is Laine going to get in 2 years if he scores 40+ or even 50+ goals? These guys aren't going short term more than once and when they get their long term deals, Marner and Matthews will look like Bargains and Nylander's deal will be a joke. Once again though. Logic.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:10 p.m.
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6 x 9,2M....not just eyes, brains are required for reading too...


I said shifting towards younger players, maybe you should read an argument before you argue back. It's called a fallacy.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:11 p.m.
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Unfortunatelly thats your reality right now.

Assuming STL, CGY and NSH will cement only Ds worth going for next Off-season, seems like TML are forced to operate with what they have. Its a wondering question, not something that i would do, and you cant say Muzzin and Barrie werent looking like Pair that can bring you all the way to the Finals....now the second such Pair was lost with 4M "New Era" contracts, where Rielly would finally got a decent complement.....


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Much cheaper, much younger, and much less likely to be terrible contract wise. UFA Dmen I would be looking at to fill in the last top 4 spot include Hamonic, Brodie, Pietro, Barrie, Muzzin, Gudas, and TVR. You could also make a trade for one just like we did this year. What you don't have to do is get rid of one of our good young Dmen and forwards on a good contract for nothing to overpay guys.
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:12 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Or one could, you know, look at the whole situation and come to the conclusion that 1) Rantanen didn't want to miss time, we all see how that worked out for Nylander 2) Sakic had the ability to wait to the 11th hour like TO did last year. So with both of those facts mentioned and considered, Rantanen took a million less a year than Marner to prevent himself from missing time. Its a negotiation and due to Colorado's large amount of cap space, Rantanen had a little less leverage than Marner did.

And before you point to all the other RFA's who took 2 or 3 year deals as a "See, what about them" how much money do you think Point is going to command if he is only just as good as he was last year for the next 3 years? How much money is Laine going to get in 2 years if he scores 40+ or even 50+ goals? These guys aren't going short term more than once and when they get their long term deals, Marner and Matthews will look like Bargains and Nylander's deal will be a joke. Once again though. Logic.


Also, Rantanen's comparable is MacKinnon, who is better than him, so he couldn't be paid too much more.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:13 p.m.
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I said shifting towards younger players, maybe you should read an argument before you argue back. It's called a fallacy.


While its obvious you arent even familiar with description of "New Era" from logan and random, i will give you a pass here....
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:15 p.m.
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Barrie was easily the best player on the ice against Ottawa... he keeps that up he'll get more than 8x8 which is where hes sitting around now


Think you explained why the Leafs probably can't afford Barrie. If he's that good, Leafs won't want to get in a bidding war. Dermot, IMO he's a Harmonic, Would love to get signed long term.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:16 p.m.
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Rielly-Dermott
Sandin-(your choice) (Sandin can also play RD in a pinch)
Guy-Liljegren
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Much cheaper, much younger, and much less likely to be terrible contract wise. UFA Dmen I would be looking at to fill in the last top 4 spot include Hamonic, Brodie, Pietro, Barrie, Muzzin, Gudas, and TVR.


Or an argument could be made to trade someone like Kapanen for a defenceman who is young and up and coming. With the expansion draft happening after next season. TO will have a hard time protecting everyone and unless they sign a UFA next season, they may not even need to protect 3 defenceman and could elect to do the 8 players. In that case you will be looking at losing one of Johnsson, Kerfoot or Kapanen. Which if that is what I was looking at, I'd trade one for a defenceman so I can do the 7-3 split.

On a side note, can we trade Laudan to the Habs?
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Also, Rantanen's comparable is MacKinnon, who is better than him, so he couldn't be paid too much more.


That also played a part I am sure, although I imagine the thought of missing time could have been a bigger motivator. Whether fans understand it or not is irrelevant but missing a 3rd of the season and training camp and then jumping in with the weight of a new contract is difficult. These players know this, and it very well could have been a motivator for Rantanen to accept less than he wanted.
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:21 p.m.
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Or an argument could be made to trade someone like Kapanen for a defenceman who is young and up and coming. With the expansion draft happening after next season. TO will have a hard time protecting everyone and unless they sign a UFA next season, they may not even need to protect 3 defenceman and could elect to do the 8 players. In that case you will be looking at losing one of Johnsson, Kerfoot or Kapanen. Which if that is what I was looking at, I'd trade one for a defenceman so I can do the 7-3 split.

On a side note, can we trade Laudan to the Habs?


Say our dreams come true and we get Piet next summer.
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SEA takes one of Hyman (pending UFA), Moore, or Mik (if we re-sign him)
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:33 p.m.
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While its obvious you arent even familiar with description of "New Era" from logan and random, i will give you a pass here....


I am familiar with that. Matthews was signed to that much to protect from an offer sheet. A team would offer sheet a guy like him. They didn't want the negotiations to go into the summer and Matthews to get offersheeted for 13 million, and Toronto would have to match, or lose him. Rantanen took 9.25, because as I explained earlier MacKinnon was his comparable, he shouldn't be paid to much more than him. Marner was compared to Matthews, and wouldn't be paid much less than Matthews. If Marner was to sit into the season, Dubas couldn't sign him, for his cap hit would be prorated.

Have you noticed the expensive bridge deals? That's what Marner wanted. The leafs had to pay more to get him for longer term. Before you point out how much Point is making (no pun intended) with point being better than Marner, with similar points (pun still not intended) but Point has a better defensive game and more goals. Point lives in Florida, which has low taxes, and with the Jock Tax, is 36%, and Toronto is 54%. Point would be making a lot more in Toronto, as the comparables are not on hometown discounts, and the taxes are much higher.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:35 p.m.
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Say our dreams come true and we get Piet next summer.
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SEA takes one of Hyman (pending UFA), Moore, or Mik (if we re-sign him)


My dream is to get Piet at leauge min, and trade a fourth for McDavid with half retained, and to claim Seth Jones off waivers and for there to be no salary cap.
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 5:36 p.m.
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My dream is to get Piet at leauge min, and trade a fourth for McDavid with half retained, and to claim Seth Jones off waivers.


Sounds reasonable
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 6:24 p.m.
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He was great but easily the best is ignoring a lot of good in a game that was for the most part very 1 sided. Ceci is as advertised though, not very good. One of Dermott or Sandin are going to force him to the bottom pair I'd wager.


I was watching the game and Barrie just seemed like he was on another level that. I miss him, but my guys looked good too
Oct. 4, 2019 at 7:26 p.m.
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Say our dreams come true and we get Piet next summer.
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SEA takes one of Hyman (pending UFA), Moore, or Mik (if we re-sign him)


I have zero dreams of Pietrangelo. That has Seabrook written all over it.
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 7:29 p.m.
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I was watching the game and Barrie just seemed like he was on another level that. I miss him, but my guys looked good too


Muzzin is so underrated, he is just so solid. He impressed me more than Barrie who was also impressive. Kerfoot looks good too, really good positioning. Mikheyev had a strong game as well. The only things I didn't like where from Ceci and Marincin but even that wasn't terrible
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Oct. 4, 2019 at 8:00 p.m.
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Emerging of Sandin just made him expendable, 900k Sandin doing the work for next two years that Dermott will do fro 2M+, ppl are yelling Barrie is top of the tops, so proly a question is will Dermott ever reach Barries level....

Always using logic, when questioned and pushed into corner i go to check Evolving to see how far off i am, they have him at 4 x 5,375M

the Ds in FA after 2019/2020.....always a question who will land there isnt it...


Sandin should be sent down 100% after the 9 games, no need to burn the year to have him at 3rd pair minutes.

So for that reason, IMO Dermott does not and should not be traded.
Oct. 4, 2019 at 8:02 p.m.
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Sandin should be sent down 100% after the 9 games, no need to burn the year to have him at 3rd pair minutes.

So for that reason, IMO Dermott does not and should not be traded.


My thoughts exactly about Sandin, Marincin and Holl can do it just fine till Dermott returns, tho kid looks amazing, 10y veteran calmness....telling you guys we need more Swedes....

Its 2020/2021 sim, im afraid Hyman will be Cap victim already this Season, Dermott dumped to give money to Barrie. Cant figure what Dubarellis plan is.....
Oct. 4, 2019 at 8:39 p.m.
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My thoughts exactly about Sandin, Marincin and Holl can do it just fine till Dermott returns, tho kid looks amazing, 10y veteran calmness....telling you guys we need more Swedes....

Its 2020/2021 sim, im afraid Hyman will be Cap victim already this Season, Dermott dumped to give money to Barrie. Cant figure what Dubarellis plan is.....


Okay with Hyman having to go, and even Kapanen.
No dice on Dermott
Oct. 5, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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Rielly-Dermott
Sandin-(your choice) (Sandin can also play RD in a pinch)
Guy-Liljegren
Guy

Much cheaper, much younger, and much less likely to be terrible contract wise. UFA Dmen I would be looking at to fill in the last top 4 spot include Hamonic, Brodie, Pietro, Barrie, Muzzin, Gudas, and TVR. You could also make a trade for one just like we did this year. What you don't have to do is get rid of one of our good young Dmen and forwards on a good contract for nothing to overpay guys.


Gudas? Brodie? TVR?
These guys don't strike me as good D guys.
Oct. 5, 2019 at 12:57 p.m.
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Gudas? Brodie? TVR?
These guys don't strike me as good D guys.


They are stop gaps until lily or someone else is ready.
 
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