In today's NHL, assuming Hall takes $8,5M is just ridiculous.

Only interested in Hall if he takes the Drai contract. If not, move on.
Tierney is the 3C they desperately need. This trade was tough to gauge.
Francouz is a capable backup.
Thoughts?

Hall wants at least 7 x 11 No way he's signing for $8.5 million in Edmonton.

If Hall wants to cash in and make 10M x 7, let someone else pay him. Duchene took 8M x 7, so it's far from ridiculous.

11M x 7? I'd like that too but I'm not gonna get it lol. Hall has 6 goals in 30 games. Tell me who gives him that contract.

It's what he's worth. Not what he'll get though.

Really, I'd say he's worth more than that. But it really depends on how he performs in ARI - finally a chance in a relatively good team.

Interesting comp. Since the lockout season:

Hall: 143-248-391
Duchene: 158-217-375

Pretty similar scoring over 6.5 years. $11M for the next 7 years is ridiculous, but maybe someone will pay it. Shero found out that Hall had a lot less value to NHL GM's than he did to CapFriendly posters, maybe it's Hall's turn to find out the same.

Hall is a TOP7 LW in the league, Duchene is barely a TOP25 C. Comparing the two is absolutely asinine.

See post #8. His scoring totals over the past 6.5 years are similar to that of Scheifele, O'Reilly, Johansen, Monahan, Barkov, Duchene and Couture - all of whom play a more valuable position. His closest winger comp over that time period is Max Pacioretty, who has scored 52 more goals than Hall!

Ottawa doesn't bite on that

Duchene in his contract year: 73 GP 70 Pts 0.96 PPG
Hall in his contract year: 30 GP 25 Pts 0.83 PPG

Not sure how you find that comparison asinine.

Worth MORE than 11M??? Have you watched any hockey this year? You're gonna be sorely disappointed when you see what he signs for.

What do you think pries Tierney loose? Also is his role this year mainly defensive? I notice he's over 2 min SH TOI per game.

He doesn't play the shutdown role, he plays an easy-minutes bottom-6 C role. Don't overpay - Edmonton needs (wants) a shutdown guy like Pageau.

Pointless to compare their contract years when there's still over a half of Hall's contract year to be played.

Just checked. 2012-13 lockout ended in Jan 19 2013. Since that date Hall has scored 159+282=441 and Duchene has scored 175+243=418 points. But the biggest difference in the amount of games played. Hall has only played 466 games during that timespan, Duchene has 539. meaning that Duchene has basically played one full season more games due to Hall's rotten luck with injuries and such. And still Hall is statistically above him.

I was looking at "since the lockout season", you've included it.



You don't think that should be a consideration when you're thinking about signing a 28 year old player to a long-term contract?? That's a negative for Hall, not a positive. He won't get less injury prone in his 30's.

If you want to look at it this way: in his career, Hall has averaged:

66 GP per season (average 16 games missed)
23 goals per season
60 points per season

Even if you think he can maintain his "prime scoring" deep into his 30's (highly unlikely), you're advocating paying $10M+ for a guy who will, on average, contribute about 60 points per season - hardly elite production. In the past 2 years, roughly 65 forwards have done better each year.

He's been an effective defensive centre, but he's been producing fairly well offensively too. He's on pace his 3rd straight 40pt season. He's really taken a step as a PK guy under DJ Smith, and he's at his most dangerous offensively on the PK. he creates more shorthanded chances than anyone on the team.

I don't see Ottawa being interested in Benning or in Chiasson again, but Puljujarvi would be a great target for Ottawa, even if it was straight up

I'd like to think that in his case due to his injuries his prime has sort of moved to a little later time-frame. Many of the star players start to find their absolute top game in around 22-24 years old, in Hall's situation it just happened couple of years later. At the very least, statistics point to that.

Also we gotta remember that he started his career in probably the worst team there has been in the league in this century. EDM at the start of 2010 was nothing but a royal joke.

Honestly, how he played in the timespan of 2012-2017 doesn't matter jack sh*t right now. He has found a level beyond that. From the 2017-18 season to this day, he has scored 155 points in 139 games. That's about 91 points per season in average. Also the latest whole season he played, he ended up being voted the league MVP, and that's basically all that should matter when we consider how elite player he is at the moment. I admit that him being injury-prone does affect to his trade value a bit, but if he can keep up at that level of production (or something even close to that) in ARI, he should have no problems getting a huge contract after the season.

Now you're being totally dishonest. My stats were for his entire career to date, not the 2012-2017 timaspan. And since you want to isolate the past 2.375 seasons only, here are the TRUE figures per season:

59 GP per season (average of 23 games missed)
24 goals per season
65 points per season

So even your cherry-picked timeline doesn't show Hall in a better light. And he sure as hell didn't average anywhere near 91 points per season.

In his entire career, Hall has scored more than 27 goals ONCE and more than 80 points ONCE. If you want to pay him $10M+, be my guest. But you'll regret it, guaranteed.

It's simple maths, really: 59 games divided by 65 points = 1,16 points per game. 1,16 points per game times full 82 game season = total of 95 points, had he been able to play a full year.

Honestly, now the numbers seem just better...

But that's beside the point. The point I've proven is that had he been healthy, he'd have a load of more 30 goal or 80 point seasons.

And it's a pretty pointless notion to make that one is going to regret signing a huge contract for 28-year old star players - teams tend to have no choice if they want to sign the player. Now assuming that Hall signs a 7 or 8 year contract, the first 4 to 5 years are going to be worth it most likely, the last few years remaining might be problematic... But that is the concern with every single longer contract that signed close to players 30s. And they still get signed, every time.

He's rarely healthy, so he doesn't get 30 goal or 80+ point seasons more than once every 10 years.

This fact should enter into contract consideration strongly, whether you agree or not.

Yeah. There's no point denying that. This is also most likely the reason why Hall's contract negotiations start from $10M instead of $12M. Had he been able to be healthy and score regularily 85-95 point seasons in NJ, both his trade and next contract value would be much, much higher...

I really hope BurgerBoss is actually Brad Treliving, and that Hall ends up in Calgary on a 7 year, 77 milion dollar deal.

Sorry to disappoint you but CGY can't really afford that.