How does lehner and nylander get twice as much as Kane?

No way do we sell Kane that low not to mention retaining $4M. That is a horrible return. Kane is easily worth (2) 1st round picks and a prospect like Suzuki from Carolina. Even then that is without retaining $4M.

hell yeah seabrook and ceci. negative-seven WAR of defensemen for 11 million dollars on the same team. you simply love to see it.

Over the last 2.5 seasons Brooks is at -2.7 WAR and Ceci's at -0.4 WAR. I think you're overreacting. Source

Whoa whoa, okay, first of all, we’re getting fleury and bean from Carolina, both are A prospects, if you wanna switch out one, go for it. A first and a third is more than fair, but I’d say the two firsts plus the two players would scare Carolina away. Sooooo, I chose the two top notch defenders WE NEED and a first as opposed to two first round picks we may **** up.

Also, Ceci won’t play a game for the hawks. He’s gone end of year. Plus, seabrook, in my mind, has played his last game as a hawk. He’s either bought out, or I’m always down for the Eriksson for seabrook trade and buying out Eriksson (LOUI ERIKSSON).

Just wondering what your rational was on the Toronto Trade?

Mikheyev is a Calder contender, kapanen is certainly worth more than a first. Giving up an rhd where we are very thin for a borderline nhler (not a 200 ft player) and a rental goalie.

Fleury can't be considered an A prospect at this point if he ever could've been.

0 chance MTL trade Suzuki... Especially for an overpaid and old C. We're set at C (especially with Zuke). That trade is laughable

No problem.

Okay, so, with Kapanen, a lot of the cap space movement issues I've heard regarding the leafs involves moving either Johnsson or Kapanen to free up room. Moving Ceci makes sense in my mind only cuz that's more cap space and no one in Toronto seems to like him. As for Mikheyev, yea its a bit of a stretch. Great contract, good numbers, good size and even better speed. I like him a lot!!!

In return, I figured having Lehner would make him a dependable back up that Andersen can depend on to get some rest. Nylander as an add on would nice for the brothers. Maybe build up some family chemistry.

Yes, it is a bit of a stretch. However, I would argue that neither Kapanen or Mikheyev are neither worth a 1st. Maybe a 2nd, definitely 3rds. They are very good, talented players though. Lehner being the back up to Andersen is the big sell on this though. Taking Ceci's contract is sweetener.

I'd argue that Carolina isn't giving Fleury his fair chance. He's a great skater for a dman who's 6'3''. He's got very good two way potential as well. Maybe just my opinion, but I am an admirer.

Fair enough, Toews is a tough trade to gauge, thanks for the input. How are you guys feeling about Kotkaniemi? Just curious how Habs fans are feeling about him.

You're seriously undervaluing what Kapanen is worth, like who's trading a young winger on pace for 40 points who's signed for 3.2M for two more seasons after this one AND is still an RFA once this contract ends for only a 3rd? He's easily worth a 2nd+ at the very least if not a mid to late 1st to some teams.

Hes great. I dont think theres any reason to trade him. Fans telling hes a bust just think that a 19 yo must put 60pts to not be considered a bust

Montreal rejects. We wouldn't trade Suzuki for Toews straight up.

You’re right! Completely! Great contract with production to boot. However, remember, Toronto trading him would be from a position of need, not really strength. What I mean is that if you did move him, it’s because you need the cap space. Sure teams will pay a first, but it’ll be rare when they realize cap desperation is involved. Also, and yes this may be me, but lehner is a top 10 easily goalie in this league. That’s your first rounder comparable.

Believe me, though, I get where you’re coming from though and you are right. But we all know trades and trade value is not black and white in this league.

Thank you for saying that!!! Everyone kept giving me **** when I said that Suzuki is a fantastic player before the season started.

I feel like the only head scratching thing about KK is simply this: didn’t you guys have danault, domi, and Suzuki before drafting KK? I know in Suzuki’s case he was still a prospect, but the other two were both established. Believe me I’m sure I’m wrong, I definitely didn’t look that up before I made this point. But I do remember them saying when you drafted KK, you went for a position of need. Now you guys are stacked at center!

I think our C line of the futur is KK, Zuke and Danault with Domi on the W

So the rookie with the most points in the league and a former 1st who is succeeding at the nhl level, both put up points, kill penalties and have overall great 200ft games aren’t worth firsts?

I’m sure I could win that argument....

Lehner is a bit overkill for a backup and I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd for nylander. That gives you two top 6 forwards for a rental on lehner.

I get it but I think it's really a fact of overvaluing a 1st to some degree, how long before a mid to late round 1st round pick amounts to what Kapanen is now? Likely years and with where Toronto is in their window they'd be foolish to trade him for a rental goalie albeit a very good one.

Even if I concede Kapanen for Lehner is arguably fair, (but it's not, it's an overpay) and if Toronto really wanted Lehner they'd be better off trading a 1st for him but if they did trade Kapanen for Lehner trading Mikheyev, Ceci and a 2nd is WAY too much for Nylander, if it was Murphy instead of Nylander maybe I could see it but as you have this trade here I think it's just a mess that doesn't work for the Leafs at all.

I'm not a Leafs fan and I get this site is just for fun and most are homer ACGMs but this trade only considers one teams needs really, I get that they attain cap space but it still creates other holes in their lineup that need to be filled by trading out Ceci a RHD and two top 9 wingers, it just makes no sense.

Fluery is 23 years old, a 2014 #7 picks overall and hasn't been able to stay in the lineup, not exactly a star or living up to a #7 pick and definitely not an A prospect prospect anymore.

For Bean it's hard to say what he is worth; was 13th OA pick in 2016 I believe.

Either way, those two and first round pick doesn't cut it. (2) 1sts and Suzuki and Hawks are at least going to get a discussion going. Either way there's not a chance Kane waves for Carolina so pointless discussion.