Not into baseball?
Lol sorry man but we tend to go on and on on baseball

boston fan, lets talk baseball for a sec lol. Houston didnt get enough of a whack. theyve been doing it for years. I think houston also put A TON of the blame on the guy thats not in their organization. Like oh he left us for a rival lets blame him and screw the red sox too sorta deal! I think the redsox are now in a catch 22 where if they fire cora it looks like they were cheaters here and if they dont fire cora it could be a worse punishment for the red sox. Also i read somewhere that Dombrowski may or may not have been leaking info to the media on the redsox stuff.

Everybody gets to guess what MY opinion is.

Engvall isn't going to fetch the Leafs much in the trade market simply because of Pleasebanme's point of only having 25-30 games in the NHL. Not enough sample size for any team to offer up anything worth alot value.

I agree that I would have liked to see more picks but $5mill is irrelevant but $25-50mill would make Crane think twice before trying some ish like this again IMO.

Even if Corra only gets a one year band also (which I just can't see considering he spearheaded the whole thing), but either way nobody is going to hire him after his roll in all this. I wonder what @oneX thanks about this?

Any other teams participated in sign stealing that you know of?

The investigation was held by the MLB and they said Corra spearheaded it from the coaching side. I know it sucks to find out news like this but this is what they're saying. I should note as a Blue Jays fan that this doesn't taint the organization just Corra at least until further details come out but it doesn't taint the Red Sox image just those involved.

I'm curious as to what team you root for? I mean you can go and watch the greatest player on planet earth pretty much whenever you want and the Dodgers are no joke either. I really like the Padres myself and the A's are tied for my second favourite team (3-way tie between the Mariners, Pirates and As). And who can forget about the Giants I know they just lost Madbum and aren't in a good place right now but such is the life of the baseball cycle.

Also, I think that you think this is light.

I get that, I was just saying if he is tough to deal with on a new contract than it might be better to explore the trade market for him and keep the two cost certainty players that everyone wants to jettison out of town. It was an outside the box thought that I had and I know it's a small sample size but if teams are in the market for AJ or Kap than I think they'd have interest in Engvall too.

The Red Sox, Yankees (under Boon) and I'm sure there's a lot more but those are the other two that I can think of off the top of my head.

I feel the punishment from a draft point of view was not enough. Money means nothing as a fine to Crane who is a millionaire, even 25-30 million fine means nothing to him. That's probably pocket change for him tbh.

More draft picks penalization would have been a stronger message. Now...I'm not sure if fans (myself included) should feel cheated about the Houston and Boston world series wins.

The Red Sox and Astros are the only teams that have been caught. If there are more teams, they will probably stop now because at least the commissioner is making attempts to deter this stuff.

What about the players?
I think players on both teams should be held accountable too.

As with my local hockey teams, I cheer for both. My roots with the Dodgers go back much further, though, because my grandfather was a catcher in the Brooklyn Dodgers' farm system before enlisting in the Army in 1917.

You bet! However, it's not clear to me what punishment is actually available here. I would think that the least that could be done is vacate the two World Series wins against the Dodgers. But then I sound like a whining homer.

When I was in high school, the Angels were formed and my granduncle immediately got season tickets, so when I would come out here from NY in the summer I would go to a lot of those games. I remember the one glory year of Dean Chance and Bo Belinsky pretty well. Well, no I don't -- the Sixties intervened -- but you get the picture.

Cheaters shouldnt stay winners.
I say make them vacate their WS wins too.


Well said.

Back to hockey now...

Pick one of the following:

Trade for UFA D man

OR

Trade for D man you envision being Rielly's partner for next year and beyond

Personally, I would have liked to see a minimum of 3 1sts but I can live with the picks part. I know Crane's a millionaire but $50mill is still a steep price to pay $45million more to be exact. We all know he don't care about Hinch and Luhnow's ban but if the financial penalty was more severe than I would imagine he'd think twice about who he's hiring. Maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deterrent but the whole $5mill is a complete joke and at least $50mill would hold some merit IMO.

I can only imagine more teams are doing this and hopefully it will be brought to light so we can stop this in its tracks.

I agree, but if the players get punished it will make it harder to get their cooperation in the future IMO, but it does piss me off that they get off scot-free.

Very interesting! That's pretty cool?. Any chance you want to send that Bellinger guy to my blue jays? We'll send you SWR, Giles, and Fisher or Hernandez and we'll even take back Pollock and Jansen ? lol.

Brainf fart, SWR?

What would you have liked to see done? I wanted Crane to get a $50mill fine but I get the max amount is $5 mill.... I just think that's a joke of a fine and I wanted to see 3 first's but am fine with the 2 1sts and 2nds.

You don't sound like a whining homer me @Trickster and @oneX are Jay's fans and are pretty pissed about this whole situation.... I can only imagine how the Dodgers organization and fans are taking this.

It musta been pretty fun to watch them from their inaugural season! Lots of great year's but for the last 5-6 years I can't help but think how far they could go if they'd just go and get a couple of Aces. I know you guys got Otani but man this team shoots itself in the foot every off-season although it should be fun to see what Madden can do with this team. Say any chance you would be interested in trading us that bum in center field...you know that fish guy... Lol... Don't worry I'll stop lol. A guy can dream right?

Yeah, but I don't think the Dodgers would want it like that... Don't get me wrong they should be dubbed WS champs twice but I think they'd rather earn it so to speak.