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Target Dumba

Created by: Boomer125
Initial Creation Date: Jan 13, 2020
Published: Jan 13 at 11:39 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
No it doesn't have to cost Nylander
Trades
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Foligno, Marcus
MIN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. Ceci, Cody
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
  6. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$82,398,810$0$335,000-$898,810
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
$2,875,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Marchment, Mason
$767,500
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$759,167
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1

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Jan 13 at 11:41
#1
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 3,960
Likes: 877
Quality > quantity dumba is very good and Minnesota has no reason to move him thus making it an overpayment to get him and I don’t even think Nylander alone is enough to get him let alone this awful package lol
Jan 13 at 11:45
#2
Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 4,461
Likes: 2,587
Quoting: Dylan1995
Quality > quantity dumba is very good and Minnesota has no reason to move him thus making it an overpayment to get him and I don’t even think Nylander alone is enough to get him let alone this awful package lol


incoming reference to Dumba's stats this season lol tHiRtEeN pOiNtS

Even if Dumba was available, I don't see why TOR would want to add another guy that does the same things as Rielly and Barrie. There are only 2 PP units and a limited amount of offensive draws. TOR would be better off adding a guy that can sit back and defend when the other guys are flying around the ice IMO.
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Jan 13 at 11:46
#3
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 785
Likes: 257
I don't think you get to choose what it costs. And I don't see Minnesota biting on the spare parts package.

If you want a star, you have to trade a star. Which is exactly why Toronto should not be targeting top tier RHD's because it will cost them too much.
Jan 13 at 11:50
#4
#LeafsFever
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,217
Likes: 808
Even though he's having an off season, it's hard to imagine that the Wild are willing to sell low on him. If the Leafs were to make a play for Dumba, I think it would take Johnsson, Dermott and a 1st to get the conversation rolling.
Jan 13 at 11:57
#5
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 445
Quoting: Dylan1995
Quality > quantity dumba is very good and Minnesota has no reason to move him thus making it an overpayment to get him and I don’t even think Nylander alone is enough to get him let alone this awful package lol


Quoting: A_K
incoming reference to Dumba's stats this season lol tHiRtEeN pOiNtS

Even if Dumba was available, I don't see why TOR would want to add another guy that does the same things as Rielly and Barrie. There are only 2 PP units and a limited amount of offensive draws. TOR would be better off adding a guy that can sit back and defend when the other guys are flying around the ice IMO.


Quoting: newballcoach
I don't think you get to choose what it costs. And I don't see Minnesota biting on the spare parts package.

If you want a star, you have to trade a star. Which is exactly why Toronto should not be targeting top tier RHD's because it will cost them too much.


Quoting: MG1986
Even though he's having an off season, it's hard to imagine that the Wild are willing to sell low on him. If the Leafs were to make a play for Dumba, I think it would take Johnsson, Dermott and a 1st to get the conversation rolling.


Guys, a Matt Dumba race to the Leafs starts with Marner.
Jan 13 at 12:01
#6
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,742
Likes: 3,919
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Guys, a Matt Dumba race to the Leafs starts with Marner.


You probably shouldn't say stuff like that. It's ridiculous
Jan 13 at 12:48
#7
RalphMac
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 113
Likes: 22
I find it harder to part with foligno than dumba IMO
Jan 13 at 1:41
#8
#LeafsFever
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,217
Likes: 808
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Guys, a Matt Dumba race to the Leafs starts with Marner.


That is 100% not true. I actually don't even think it would take Nylander to get him. You make a deal off what you are getting from a player. A player who has good and even great seasons in the past certainly helps the sell, but if the Wild really are to sell Dumba off, it's this year's body of work at the forefront, and he's been pretty mediocre, all things considered. So, while I am not sure the Wild would ever sell low on such an important player, if they did, the starting point would never be Marner, not ever.
Jan 13 at 2:57
#9
Marner Stan Account
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 445
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You probably shouldn't say stuff like that. It's ridiculous


Quoting: MG1986
That is 100% not true. I actually don't even think it would take Nylander to get him. You make a deal off what you are getting from a player. A player who has good and even great seasons in the past certainly helps the sell, but if the Wild really are to sell Dumba off, it's this year's body of work at the forefront, and he's been pretty mediocre, all things considered. So, while I am not sure the Wild would ever sell low on such an important player, if they did, the starting point would never be Marner, not ever.


Nylander has higher value on the trade market than Marner. The Leafs would never deal him. As good as Marner is, you have to remember he's on a pretty ridiculous contract and that's going to deflate his value. Teams aren't going to trade Jones, Parayko, Manson, Pesce or Dumba for him.
Jan 13 at 3:02
#10
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,742
Likes: 3,919
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Nylander has higher value on the trade market than Marner. The Leafs would never deal him. As good as Marner is, you have to remember he's on a pretty ridiculous contract and that's going to deflate his value. Teams aren't going to trade Jones, Parayko, Manson, Pesce or Dumba for him.


No he isn't, your hot takes on Marner is too much my friend. Marner has the best PPG totals on the Leafs team. He's a 90+ point player under contract for 6 years, his contract is fine. Others will get paid more and they'll be lesser players. Wait 3 years you are going to see a tonne of massive contracts.
Jan 13 at 3:54
#11
#LeafsFever
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 3,217
Likes: 808
Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Nylander has higher value on the trade market than Marner. The Leafs would never deal him. As good as Marner is, you have to remember he's on a pretty ridiculous contract and that's going to deflate his value. Teams aren't going to trade Jones, Parayko, Manson, Pesce or Dumba for him.


Nylander has higher value on the trade market than Marner? What? Is this the twilight zone?
Jan 13 at 4:20
#12
Thread Starter
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 2,350
Likes: 517
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
No he isn't, your hot takes on Marner is too much my friend. Marner has the best PPG totals on the Leafs team. He's a 90+ point player under contract for 6 years, his contract is fine. Others will get paid more and they'll be lesser players. Wait 3 years you are going to see a tonne of massive contracts.


All those 3 year bridge deals look great now, but you are correct come resign time they all blow past Marner is AAV or take a 1 yr QO and walk to FA
Jan 13 at 4:23
#13
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,742
Likes: 3,919
Quoting: Boomer125
All those 3 year bridge deals look great now, but you are correct come resign time they all blow past Marner is AAV or take a 1 yr QO and walk to FA


Meier's contract comes with a built in 10 million dollar QO in 4 years, what a fantastic joke that is. Many people are saying that Tkachuk is going to get a long term deal around 8 million but has a QO of 9 in 3 years I believe, no chance these guys are going to just take a break because fans want them too. They are all going to get massive deals.
Jan 13 at 4:32
#14
Thread Starter
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 2,350
Likes: 517
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Meier's contract comes with a built in 10 million dollar QO in 4 years, what a fantastic joke that is. Many people are saying that Tkachuk is going to get a long term deal around 8 million but has a QO of 9 in 3 years I believe, no chance these guys are going to just take a break because fans want them too. They are all going to get massive deals.


You are correct on Mier and Tchuck - both would also have ARB rights and could basically sign a 1 yr and head to FA, not sure how Points is structured but I would have to assume similar to Tchuck
Jan 13 at 4:38
#15
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: Boomer125
You are correct on Mier and Tchuck - both would also have ARB rights and could basically sign a 1 yr and head to FA, not sure how Points is structured but I would have to assume similar to Tchuck


Point has a QO of 9 million in 3 years. His team will have to offer a lot more than that on a long term deal to get him to sign, or he can just QO himself to FA. McAvoy has a QO of 7.3 million, Werenksy is at 7. Surprisingly Laine is only at 7.5, same with Boeser. I just can't get over Meier though, 60 point winger and he's going to get 10 million in 4 years and can just take his QO and walk to FA. Yeah the Leafs are really bad for not having to deal with those future nightmares.
Jan 13 at 4:43
#16
Thread Starter
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Point has a QO of 9 million in 3 years. His team will have to offer a lot more than that on a long term deal to get him to sign, or he can just QO himself to FA. McAvoy has a QO of 7.3 million, Werenksy is at 7. Surprisingly Laine is only at 7.5, same with Boeser. I just can't get over Meier though, 60 point winger and he's going to get 10 million in 4 years and can just take his QO and walk to FA. Yeah the Leafs are really bad for not having to deal with those future nightmares.


Wow, should be a nightmare offseason in 2022 for pretty much every other team in the league
Jan 13 at 4:49
#17
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,742
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Quoting: Boomer125
Wow, should be a nightmare offseason in 2022 for pretty much every other team in the league


I think its going to be hilarious! 70-80 point players getting 12 million on long term deals is going to feel so good to watch. Calgary will have both Tkachuk and Guadreau up for new deals at the same time. Have fun Flames fans.
 
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