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Take on Some Cap

Created by: Christian17
Initial Creation Date: Jan 13, 2020
Published: Jan 13 at 4:55 pm
Team: 2019-20 Anaheim Ducks
Trades
ANA
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Henrique, Adam
ANA
  1. Dubinsky, Brandon
  2. Peeke, Andrew
CBJ
  1. Deslauriers, Nicolas
ANA
  1. 2020 4th round pick (DET)
TBL
  1. Grant, Derek
ANA
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
I don't count Galchenyuk as value. He's playing bottom 6 minutes at this point and not succeeding, he's a UFA at the end of the year. At this point he's a cap dump.
PIT
  1. Silfverberg, Jakob
ANA
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2020 5th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex ($2,450,000 retained)
  2. Holzer, Korbinian
ANA
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
WPG
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. Del Zotto, Michael
ANA
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Shore, Devin ($1,150,000 retained)
ANA
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
NYR
  1. Jones, Max
  2. Ho-Sang, Joshua
ANA
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. Roussel, Antoine
  3. Woo, Jett
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Rowney, Carter
ANA
  1. Keane, Joey
  2. Staal, Marc
NYR
  1. Roussel, Antoine ($1,500,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Corey Perry: $2,625,000
  • Simon Despres: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Alex Galchenyuk: $2,450,000 (50%)
  • Devin Shore: $1,150,000 (50%)
  • Antoine Roussel: $1,500,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
ANA
NYI
PIT
ANA
ANA
TOR
EDM
VAN
DET
ANA
COL
ANA
2021
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
2022
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$75,563,090$0$2,182,500$5,936,910
Left WingCenterRight Wing
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
$3,789,444
C, RW, LW
UFA - 3
ANA
Getzlaf, Ryan
$8,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
ANA
Sprong, Daniel
$750,000
RW
RFA - 1
ANA
Ritchie, Nick
$1,498,925
LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Lundeström, Isac
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
ANA
Comtois, Maxime
$820,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Steel, Sam
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
ANA
Kase, Ondrej
$2,600,000
RW
RFA - 2
VAN
Baertschi, Sven
$3,366,666
LW
UFA - 2
ANA
De Leo, Chase
$750,000
C
RFA - 1
ANA
Terry, Troy
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ANA
Fowler, Cam
$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
ANA
Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
ANA
Gibson, John
$6,400,000
G
UFA - 8
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
$5,205,556
LD
UFA - 3
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ANA
Miller, Ryan
$1,125,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Larsson, Jacob
$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
ANA
Wideman, Chris
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Dubinsky, Brandon
$5,850,000
C, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
ANA
Eaves, Patrick
$3,150,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
$6,875,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3

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Jan 13 at 4:56
#1
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Manson is not at all worth what you guys think he's worth. Muzzin didn't get anything close to as good as Elhers and Muzzin was far more accomplished and a lot better.
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Jan 13 at 5:00
#2
HadesOfSocal
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I’m in for the Dubinsky one lol
Jan 13 at 5:12
#3
TBL GM and BOG v4
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I think Pittsburgh would rather keep him and let him go to FA then trade him as a cap dump.
Jan 13 at 5:43
#4
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Manson is not at all worth what you guys think he's worth. Muzzin didn't get anything close to as good as Elhers and Muzzin was far more accomplished and a lot better.


Muzzin had one year left and Manson has two years at a lower dollar, has a better contract, Manson is younger and although last year was a dip for him the rest of his career he's been an analytics darling with a 37 point season to boot and he's right-handed. Manson has more value than Muzzin did and WPG is in desperate need of defensemen, especially on the right side.
Jan 13 at 5:44
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Quoting: TabooPenguo
I think Pittsburgh would rather keep him and let him go to FA then trade him as a cap dump.


I just don't know how else they'd make the cap work. Galch wasn't the main part of that trade, he was just a piece to make the cap work.
Jan 13 at 6:01
#6
Spleenmaster1002
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Winnipeg isn’t trading Ehlers for Manson, maybe Roslovic but definitely not Ehlers.
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Jan 13 at 6:23
#7
MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: Christian17
Muzzin had one year left and Manson has two years at a lower dollar, has a better contract, Manson is younger and although last year was a dip for him the rest of his career he's been an analytics darling with a 37 point season to boot and he's right-handed. Manson has more value than Muzzin did and WPG is in desperate need of defensemen, especially on the right side.


I hope the Jets aren't that desperate, that's a trade that should get a GM fired.
Jan 13 at 6:36
#8
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Quoting: Christian17
Muzzin had one year left and Manson has two years at a lower dollar, has a better contract, Manson is younger and although last year was a dip for him the rest of his career he's been an analytics darling with a 37 point season to boot and he's right-handed. Manson has more value than Muzzin did and WPG is in desperate need of defensemen, especially on the right side.


The better player always has more value. Muzzin is better than Manson. You'll get a fair return but Elhers? Come on, that is not remotely close.
Jan 14 at 5:33
#9
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I don't understand why we'd do any of these trade to be honest. Apart from the WPG deal, they're all terrible for us. Meanwhile, the WPG deal is totally unrealistic.

Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Manson is not at all worth what you guys think he's worth. Muzzin didn't get anything close to as good as Elhers and Muzzin was far more accomplished and a lot better.


I don't think Manson is worth what you think (chump and change by the sounds of it), but I agree he's not worth Ehlers... not even close.

Quoting: Christian17
Muzzin had one year left and Manson has two years at a lower dollar, has a better contract, Manson is younger and although last year was a dip for him the rest of his career he's been an analytics darling with a 37 point season to boot and he's right-handed. Manson has more value than Muzzin did and WPG is in desperate need of defensemen, especially on the right side.


This is all irrelevant really. Ehlers is a proven 30-30 winger who is no slouch defensively either. On top of that, he only seems to be getting better. No way Manson gets us Ehlers. WPG would want someone who could carry their line. At best we'd be looking at Fowler, but he's too old now.
Jan 14 at 2:33
#10
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
The better player always has more value. Muzzin is better than Manson. You'll get a fair return but Elhers? Come on, that is not remotely close.


Manson is better than Muzzin.
Jan 14 at 2:40
#11
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Quoting: Christian17
Manson is better than Muzzin.


Only since he became a Leaf. Prior to him becoming a Leaf, he was considered a great defensive defenceman, top pair defender who also scored close to .5 points per game. He becomes a Leaf and now everyones better than him. Manson isn't better defensively than Muzzin, not close to as good as offensively. I don't get Ducks fans on here, you know there is no crime in being just a good player, you don't have to go overboard and tell yourself that he's an elite #1 worth a pile of assets. Use the Muzzin trade and then take some of the return out and that will be a reasonable expectation. The Manson for Nylander, or Manson for a 1st and A+ prospect, or Manson for Elhers nonsense just makes you guys look silly.
Jan 14 at 3:12
#12
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Only since he became a Leaf. Prior to him becoming a Leaf, he was considered a great defensive defenceman, top pair defender who also scored close to .5 points per game. He becomes a Leaf and now everyones better than him. Manson isn't better defensively than Muzzin, not close to as good as offensively. I don't get Ducks fans on here, you know there is no crime in being just a good player, you don't have to go overboard and tell yourself that he's an elite #1 worth a pile of assets. Use the Muzzin trade and then take some of the return out and that will be a reasonable expectation. The Manson for Nylander, or Manson for a 1st and A+ prospect, or Manson for Elhers nonsense just makes you guys look silly.


Manson is a 2nd/3rd Dman. Manson has been better than Muzzin defensively for the majority of the last 4 years. Points for a defenseman aren't usually a great indicator of their skill as a defenseman. A lot of those points were byproducts of him playing with Doughty.
Jan 14 at 3:20
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Quoting: Christian17
Manson is a 2nd/3rd Dman. Manson has been better than Muzzin defensively for the majority of the last 4 years. Points for a defenseman aren't usually a great indicator of their skill as a defenseman. A lot of those points were byproducts of him playing with Doughty.


He played with Martinez as much as he played with Doughty and the results showed that both players where better when paired with Muzzin and worse when they weren't with him. Manson has never been as good as Muzzin and apart from his terrific season 2 years ago, he hasn't been anything special. This is pretty much how people on are here, "I want people to think a certain way and will say anything to prove my point even if its just made up and if I say it enough it'll be true." I prefer to live in reality. Muzzin is better, was better and has always been better.
Jan 14 at 4:25
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
He played with Martinez as much as he played with Doughty and the results showed that both players where better when paired with Muzzin and worse when they weren't with him. Manson has never been as good as Muzzin and apart from his terrific season 2 years ago, he hasn't been anything special. This is pretty much how people on are here, "I want people to think a certain way and will say anything to prove my point even if its just made up and if I say it enough it'll be true." I prefer to live in reality. Muzzin is better, was better and has always been better.


Well you're literally doing the exact same thing so... I think you're wrong and you think i'm wrong....but none of it matters cuz this is alllll fiction.
Jan 14 at 4:28
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Quoting: Christian17
Well you're literally doing the exact same thing so... I think you're wrong and you think i'm wrong....but none of it matters cuz this is alllll fiction.


Sure, apart from Muzzin being better than Manson, that is 100% fact.
 
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