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2020-21

Initial Creation Date: Feb 26, 2020
Published: Feb 26 at 5:08
Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Chrona, Magnus3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Martin, Spencer1$700,000
Smith, Gemel1$700,000
Sieloff, Patrick1$700,000
Masin, Dominik1$700,000
Colton, Ross1$700,000
Stephens, Devante1$700,000
Verhaeghe, Carter1$800,000
Walcott, Daniel1$700,000
Yan, Dennis1$700,000
Volkov, Alexander1$750,000
Stephens, Mitchell1$850,000
Sergachev, Mikhail4$5,000,000
Cernak, Erik2$2,250,000
Cirelli, Anthony5$5,575,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler1$1,000,000
Rutta, Jan1$900,000
Trades
TBL
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Paquette, Cédric
TBL
  1. Laaksonen, Oskari [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
  3. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Killorn, Alex
TBL
  1. Cockerill, Logan [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Johnson, Tyler
TBL
  1. 2021 6th round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Coburn, Braydon
  2. Joseph, Mathieu [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 5th round pick (TBL)
Buyouts
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TBL
TBL
PHI
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
BUF
TBL
ANA
TBL
BUF
TBL
FLA
TBL
NSH
NJD
2022
TBL
TBL
NYI
TBL
NYI
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$84,000,000$82,959,257$0$500,000$1,040,743
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
Barré-Boulet, Alex
$759,258
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$5,575,000
C
RFA
TBL
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Goodrow, Barclay
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
$5,300,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
$800,000
C, LW
RFA
TBL
Stephens, Mitchell
$850,000
C
RFA
Ennis, Tyler
$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$900,000
RD
UFA
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$2,250,000
RD
RFA
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$5,000,000
LD
RFA
TBL
Foote, Cal
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TBL
Masin, Dominik
$700,000
D
RFA
TBL
Raddysh, Taylor
$833,333
RW
RFA - 1

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Feb 26 at 5:18
#1
Ryan Miller Is God
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 167
Likes: 81
Buffalo passes. Not a bad trade, but with Kahun we have Olofsson, Skinner, and Kahun (and possibly Ruotsolainen) down the left side, so no reason to get roped into a chunky contract. Just doesn't fit what we need to put up the big bucks for.
Feb 26 at 5:19
#2
GO BOLTS
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,191
Likes: 322
They all have NTC except Joseph. Yes we are screwed
Feb 26 at 5:23
#3
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 656
Likes: 176
Buffalo passes on Killorn . Not going to fix your cap woes for you. And I am sure Buffalo will be on his no trade list anyways
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Feb 26 at 5:31
#4
Go Wings Go
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 24,417
Likes: 4,594
Killorn is the only one that has a Mod-NTC this summer, Can see him moving. The rest don't bank on it.
Feb 26 at 6:16
#5
KFTW
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 13,930
Likes: 4,475
They all have NTC. You’re going to have to trade 1 of Sergachev or Cirelli. Sorry about that
Feb 26 at 7:07
#6
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 94
Quoting: csick
They all have NTC. You’re going to have to trade 1 of Sergachev or Cirelli. Sorry about that


NTC only works until you go to AHL/benched/scratched/waivers/contract termination it's not a clause written in stone by Jesus Christ --> like just talk to a GM in person after season is over in a room. Can be waived in 10 min. Player+ human happiness > NTC
Some players like "lazy" Kessel say: NAAH to Minnesota.... Then they say YAYYY to Arizona... If you can choose from 25+ teams, it's simple... If he wants to go only to 2-5 teams... harder but can be still solved

Do you want to go to XYZ(<-- insert random teamname here, which is not Detroit/Ottawa or other 70 point teams, who are rebuilding)
After a huge failure in playoffs... changes needed... after deep playoffs run... also changed needed... after cup win... also changes needed... all scenario = Cirelli/Serg stays, sorry for other teams...

I can show you this picture:
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Based on this: Bye Yanni
Down year, so i wouldn't expect too much of a return... It's alright though...
Killorn 90%+ gone, cap hell is cap hell... good return for him though... like JT miller... maybe little worse... but still solid return... career year
Backes just got moved for a fair price... and that contract looked unmovable... have u seen his no trade list? i wouldn't list anaheim in my top8 teams... but maybe he did... really doesn't matter... who needs to go... goes...

Serg is not that expensive btw... 3rd pair D... bridge.. low years.... low AAV(3-4)... Mcavoy in Boston was 5mill/year ... he plays 25 min/game Top pair D. Serg doesn't do those things...
Feb 26 at 7:56
#7
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 588
Likes: 143
Paquette and Killorn will both be moved, there are also ways to get rid of a big chunk of Coburn's hit as well if he won't waive. Paquette has no ntc either. Sorry, but we won't be trading either Cirelli or Serg nor losing them to an offer sheet.
Feb 26 at 8:11
#8
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 94
Quoting: JTBF81
Paquette and Killorn will both be moved, there are also ways to get rid of a big chunk of Coburn's hit as well if he won't waive. Paquette has no ntc either. Sorry, but we won't be trading either Cirelli or Serg nor losing them to an offer sheet.


I mean if some team wants to get Cirelli for 8-9 million $, it's their choice. If Cirelli accepts it, it's his choice.
Based on our culture. Cirelli doesn't really like to play in Montreal/xyz insert other mediocre teams, i feel smile
He is my favorite player for a reason, like Point was last year. What Point said to offersheets? No thanks, delete my number from your phone Mr "Bergevin".... hahaaa... laugh

Only bad Gm's make those offersheets with bad teams anyways.
I'm 90% sure Cirelli rather stays here for 5-6 mill(bridge or 5 years etc..) then go to 8mill to Buffalo... But anything can happen...
If he accepts the offersheet, we will make the correct decision. If the draft picks come from ottawa, we might even accept the 1/1 18.5% next year. You never know... All i'm saying, our cap problems are solvable, yes Paquette,Coburn, i already sold them in my test ACGM... The math works... trades can happen... I also waived some NTC.... easier here ofc... i would be actually shocked if they both stay... then BriseBois is a god... they are good players.. we just can't afford little overpayments in these years... too many big fish we have Vasi,Heddy,Stammer,Kuch etc...

I think Gourde goes 80%+... if he stays.... BriseBois will solve it... He has months to do it... And 10-20+ people helping him... Contracts can be buried as well btw... cap managing is his job and he is good at it... He just got 2 solid palyer for 3 mill $ combined. Price was crazy... but he got what he wanted.... I wonder what he wants to do with other problems? Oh yeah he wants to-----------------Solve it!

EASY!
Feb 26 at 9:06
#9
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 588
Likes: 143
I don't think Cirelli or Serg hits 5 million imo. I think both will be bridged in the ~4 range but could see 4.5 or maybe 4.75. Cernak will be less, 2.5 tops but wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to 2. With Killorn, Paquette and likely Coburn moved, that frees up 7.75 million. That plus a cap increase of 2.5 million gives Tampa enough to get them signed. I don't think Gourde, Palat or TJ waive, and JBB has to weigh the likely better return for Killorn vs the lesser return for TJ or Gourde and the extra 500-700k in cap relief that would bring. It's unfortunate that Killorn is likely gone, but Tampa will get a great return after his performance this season. Paquette and Coburn are much less hurtful losses.
Mar 3 at 10:22
#10
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 94
Edited Mar 3 at 10:27
Quoting: JTBF81
I don't think Cirelli or Serg hits 5 million imo. I think both will be bridged in the ~4 range but could see 4.5 or maybe 4.75. Cernak will be less, 2.5 tops but wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to 2. With Killorn, Paquette and likely Coburn moved, that frees up 7.75 million. That plus a cap increase of 2.5 million gives Tampa enough to get them signed. I don't think Gourde, Palat or TJ waive, and JBB has to weigh the likely better return for Killorn vs the lesser return for TJ or Gourde and the extra 500-700k in cap relief that would bring. It's unfortunate that Killorn is likely gone, but Tampa will get a great return after his performance this season. Paquette and Coburn are much less hurtful losses.


They don't have a choice. AHL/waivers/buried/termination... or waive NTC. They will choose waive NTC. Their best interest. When u have multiple players with NTC, it's easy to convince 1. If you have only 1 in the whole team, and you need to convince that 1 dude. That's much harder. But we have lots... So someone has to go...

I think it's Gourde.
Killorn/Johnson/Gourde --> 2/3 gone --> if not, impossible to have a good roster for next year... unless we can find a new "Shattenkirk". 1.5 million $ caphit = solid player.
The way i see now:
We traded for Coleman to replace Killorn.
And we traded for Goodrow to replace Gourde.

So our team's overall strength will be kinda the same next year.
If Shattenkirk leaves = we will be weaker though, whatever happens... I hope Shattenkirk chooses 2 million $ Tampa's offer vs 3 million $ Florida Panthers( or insert here any other mediocre/bad team offer... If a good team like Philly/Wash/Pittsb offers him 3.5 mill+, i think he also leaves frown

I have a feeling some GM will offer him 3+ million $ @ 3 years... then he leaves cry Stralman got offered an insane out of the world 5 million $ + contract jeez ...
Mar 3 at 12:51
#11
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 588
Likes: 143
We traded Goodrow to replace Paquette and Coleman for Killorn. I see the def pairings next year as Hedman-Rutta, McD-Cernak and Serg-Foote, could move these around a bit but Rutta has earned another year and Foote has to be ready next year, if not then they should've traded him at the tdl. Tampa can keep Gourde/Killorn, TJ and Palat and make it work as long as one of Killorn/Gourde, Paquette and Coburn are moved.
Mar 3 at 1:00
#12
Sabres - CBJ
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 130
Likes: 31
Agree on BUF passing. It's actually a smart offer value wise by the OP. Echoing other statements but even though we could use Killorn and aren't giving up anything significant for him, I'm not interested in helping Tampa fix their cap woes and the length of the contract is not ideal.

Would really like Tyler Johnson in 2021 if we haven't fixed our **** at Center yet (narrator: they won't)
Mar 3 at 1:39
#13
Thread Starter
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 387
Likes: 69
Quoting: JaredB40
Agree on BUF passing. It's actually a smart offer value wise by the OP. Echoing other statements but even though we could use Killorn and aren't giving up anything significant for him, I'm not interested in helping Tampa fix their cap woes and the length of the contract is not ideal.

Would really like Tyler Johnson in 2021 if we haven't fixed our **** at Center yet (narrator: they won't)


Would you do that same trade if it was Johnson instead of Killorn?
Mar 3 at 2:34
#14
Sabres - CBJ
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 130
Likes: 31
Quoting: tampabaylightning1015
Would you do that same trade if it was Johnson instead of Killorn?


I would this offseason, yeah. Wish it was an option.

Next offseason, when the modified NTC portion actually kicks in... it would depend a lot on how Cozens looks, he's the long-term plan at 2C and so far he's been as good as advertised.

BUF is going to have to roster him either full-time, or send him back to juniors (which is really not ideal here... he's 100% proven this year that he's ready to move up from junior hockey. Ideally he would be seeing top-6 minutes in the AHL next season. Age rule is potentially brutal for his development)

If he plays great, earns a full-time spot and looks the part immediately next year, then I'm not as interested in Johnson come 2021 summer.
If he busts because we were forced to bring him up too early before he was ready for NHL minutes (like Mittelstadt), then I'm still interested in Johnson.
 
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