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Lottery Win - Philly Trade

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Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 9, 2020
Published: Apr. 9, 2020
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2$2,250,000
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4$3,750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$1,250,000
1$2,000,000
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Lafreniere, Alexis
3$925,000
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.
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    Philadelphia rejects. Centres are more valuable that wingers. Also Sean is pretty underrated and is a great 2 way player
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.
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    Quoting: Torontoleafs15
    Philadelphia rejects. Centres are more valuable that wingers. Also Sean is pretty underrated and is a great 2 way player


    Thats true....but they have a few good centers anyways and with Connor, it automatically gives them a high scoring offensive player. He would become Philly's top winger
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:36 a.m.
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    Thats true....but they have a few good centers anyways and with Connor, it automatically gives them a high scoring offensive player. He would become Philly's top winger


    That is also true but I think Sean is their first line centre. They would probably want to give Frost or Patrick
    I don't think Sean is on the block
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:40 a.m.
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    If this happened to the Jets, would they trade Connor for Frost and Myers? Could fill 2 holes, one at 2C and one at RHD with 2 cheap youngsters
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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    If this happened to the Jets, would they trade Connor for Frost and Myers? Could fill 2 holes, one at 2C and one at RHD with 2 cheap youngsters


    The Jets will want an good est. 2C like Couturier.

    Philly is one team that has a few good centermen compared to wingers. Couts, Hayes, Frost, Patrick...etc...even Giroux could go back playing C.
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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    I would love to see Couturier in a jets uniform, but KFC is gonna score 40 plus for the next 7 years. The trades value is probably pretty close and it fills needs for both teams, but I doubt either franchise would wanna do it
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.
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    Couturier is untouchable. I can understand why the value is there because Connor has term on his contract, but Couturier's advanced stats show he is by far better. Also, Sanheim is better than Niku.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.
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    I would love to see Couturier in a jets uniform, but KFC is gonna score 40 plus for the next 7 years. The trades value is probably pretty close and it fills needs for both teams, but I doubt either franchise would wanna do it


    The Jets also don't want to have Connor, Ehlers and Lafreniere on the left side playing with one good centerman

    Per my post above, Philly is one team that have a glut of decent centers....
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: Couturier
    Couturier is untouchable. I can understand why the value is there because Connor has term on his contract, but Couturier's advanced stats show he is by far better. Also, Sanheim is better than Niku.


    Yes, thats why you jump up two rounds in the draft(roughly 70 spots) to get a 2nd rounder....Sanhiem is also a add in to my main goal of getting a 2C.
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:51 a.m.
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    The Jets also don't want to have Connor, Ehlers and Lafreniere on the left side playing with one good centerman

    Per my post above, Philly is one team that have a glut of decent centers....


    Right I forgot the jets win the lottery in this haha, funny to think about. So true they would have too many LW in this situation and trading KFC to fill other holes makes sense.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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    Also, any Roslovic contract reportedly starts with a 2
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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    Quoting: masterjuddi
    Also, any Roslovic contract reportedly starts with a 2


    If he gets 300K more, it won't affect anything anyways...smile
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 11:56 a.m.
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    Quoting: Jetman
    The Jets also don't want to have Connor, Ehlers and Lafreniere on the left side playing with one good centerman

    Per my post above, Philly is one team that have a glut of decent centers....


    We do in fact have a lot of decent centers. Does that mean we should give away our best one? The only center that may be available is Morgan Frost.

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    Yes, thats why you jump up two rounds in the draft to get a 2nd rounder....Sanhiem is also a add in to my main goal of getting a 2C.


    Couturier is a 1C. Going up two rounds in the draft doesn't help us when we're in win-now mode and that has little increase in value. I don't know what you mean by Sanheim is an "add in," but you're not getting him either.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Couturier
    We do in fact have a lot of decent centers. Does that mean we should give away our best one? The only center that may be available is Morgan Frost.



    Couturier is a 1C. Going up two rounds in the draft doesn't help us when we're in win-now mode and that has little increase in value. I don't know what you mean by Sanheim is an "add in," but you're not getting him either.


    You are missing the fact that Connor will be the best player on your team.
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
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    You are missing the fact that Connor will be the best player on your team.


    Well of course, because we will be moving out the player that is better than him. Honestly, there might be a player or two that is better or going to be better than him just because Kyle Connor can't play defense. His advanced stats aren't great.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: Couturier
    Well of course, because we will be moving out the player that is better than him. Honestly, there might be a player or two that is better or going to be better than him just because Kyle Connor can't play defense. His advanced stats aren't great.


    What do you mean? He plays on the penalty kill for a reason. He is an all around player
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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    What do you mean? He plays on the penalty kill for a reason. He is an all around player


    I never knew he was a penalty killer. I think I went too hard on him when I said he "can't play defense." He's not awful, but I don't believe he's too great according to advanced stats. If you think he's a good all round player, then I'll take your word for it. Either way he doesn't get you Couturier because I know for a fact that he defends better.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: Couturier
    I never knew he was a penalty killer. I think I went too hard on him when I said he "can't play defense." He's not awful, but I don't believe he's too great according to advanced stats. If you think he's a good all round player, then I'll take your word for it. Either way he doesn't get you Couturier because I know for a fact that he defends better.


    Yes, you are correct...Couts defends better cuz he is a 2 way C...not a high scoring winger.

    My thought on this original trade was that Philly had 3 or 4 good Centers and that we could do a trade with that. The Jets want a good centerman that has a left shot.

    Yes, Couturier is a great 2 way center so his advance stats are crazy but his trade value is slightly deminished when Connor is at the other end with the contract lengths. Connor is a great winger in his own right and is only 23.

    I see their values being similar but if you think Philly needs Giroux, Patrick, Hayes and Couts to play C/wing, then fine but I would have thought that you would rather a high scoring winger than an over abundance of centers.
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
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    Yes, you are correct...Couts defends better cuz he is a 2 way C...not a high scoring winger.

    My thought on this original trade was that Philly had 3 or 4 good Centers and that we could do a trade with that. The Jets want a good centerman that has a left shot.

    Yes, Couturier is a great 2 way center so his advance stats are crazy but his trade value is slightly deminished when Connor is at the other end with the contract lengths. Connor is a great winger in his own right and is only 23.

    I see their values being similar but if you think Philly needs Giroux, Patrick, Hayes and Couts to play C/wing, then fine but I would have thought that you would rather a high scoring winger than an over abundance of centers.


    The Flyers are a win-now team. Couturier is on pace for 26 goals and 70 points as a two-way center. Kyle Connor is on pace for 44 goals and 84 points. Even though Connor had the better offensive side, it doesn't make up for Couturier's defensive skills. Keep in mind that Connor is a winger and Couturier is a center. If Coots was a winger or less defensive-minded, he'd probably get close to or maybe even pass Connor's totals. Couturier is the better player now and his role is unfillable. It's definitely helps the Flyer's long-term outlook, but we're a win-now team and we want to go for the cup in the next two years. But yes, Connor probably does have more value because of his contract and age.

    I think Morgan Frost is a good target. He's young, and he'll be a good playmaker for your second line. You probably want a younger guy anyway since the Jets aren't a win-now team yet IMO.
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.
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    Connor is a baller and can light it up scoring, but Couturier is a staple in Philadelphia. Hard to see Philadelphia moving him for anyone right now.
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    Apr. 9, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: phillyjabroni
    Connor is a baller and can light it up scoring, but Couturier is a staple in Philadelphia. Hard to see Philadelphia moving him for anyone right now.


    But if Giroux would go back playing C, I think Philly would do it.

    Connor - Giroux - Konecny??? nice top linesmile
    Apr. 9, 2020 at 5:54 p.m.
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    But if Giroux would go back playing C, I think Philly would do it.

    Connor - Giroux - Konecny??? nice top linesmile


    Philadelphia would still decline. Giroux is better positioned on the LW and Couturier is more valuable to the Flyers than Connor would be.
     
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