This would be a really smart move for minnesota just don't know if Philly has the cap space for dumba. Their blue line is already pretty stacked. Maybe if they traded niskanen away then dumba takes his spot on the top pair

I wonder if this deal couldn't be expanded to include Niskanen coming to the Wild?
Patrick/Niskanen/1st for Dumba/Greenway???

I'd do it

As a flyers fan, I don’t think I am ready to give up on Patrick yet. Not that Dumba is nothing but the Flyers could lose him to the expansion draft as they would most likely keep Provorov, Sanheim and Myers as the top 3 I think selling low on Patrick is a bad idea

Surprised your willing to settle for so little on Dumba.


How about adding Dubnyk and Vorachek?
Include other pieces too.

They will protect Dumba over Myers 100%

Agree to disagree Based on age, contract and potential, I think that most flyers fans would agree with me

Myers is good, but Dumba is way better and still young. They only thing that’s better is the salary Myers will make will be much cheaper

I'm actually a little bit pissed @TanSor because in the past so many times there's been discussions in Leafs ACGMs where you and others would say Nylander or Marner are starting points to a deal for Dumba...yet here we are months later with you suggesting that a player who is NOT even guaranteed to be healthy again is enough in a Dumba trade.

Please explain yourself.

The problem with the Leafs assets is that all of your centers are too good, and none of your center prospects are good enough. If we deal Dumba it needs to be one of two packages: a center prospect with top 6 upside (like Patrick) and another good asset (in this case a first given Patrick's injury issues) OR a young roster player that can play center in the top 6. I personally think Nylander can play center, so he'd be the asset we'd likely target (and not Marner). Kerfoot is more of a 3C with basically no upside (he is what he is), so he's kind of a non starter.

This trade is by no means perfect, but Patrick does have considerable upside and will only be 22 next season. Given the depth in the draft this year, the Wild could get a quality prospect with the Flyers first.

Do you think your young goalie, KK, is ready to take over as full time NHL goalie??

Not yet, but possibly in the middle of next season or the season after. We can ride with Stalock and Dubnyk for now. If Kahkonen doesn't pan out, we still have Robson and Jones.

Even if u disagree, your missing my point. One of them will have to be exposed.

I do know how you feel about the Leafs roster and who can be offered for Dumba. My gripe with you is about how you undervalue Dumba in this ACGM.

I feel Minny should be easily able to get more than what's suggested here because the injury is a big question mark.

Tor has nothing that MN needs; other than Nylander, Matthews, or Tavares. I've even cooled on Marner because of his salary and the flat caps. MN just got out of cap hell, Marner would just put them right back in it and they still wouldn't have a center.

Patrick is a gamble, but probably the only way MN ends up with a high potential center is to make a gamble trade. I'd like the trade a little better if Philly's pick was in the 15-20 range and Wild grab Ghule or O'Rourke with it.

This trade does have a big chance of being Burns 2.0.

It depends on your opinion of Patrick. If you think he's a bust then yeah this deal is really bad for us, but if you still think he can be a top line forward like I do then this could end up working for us.

I think Dumba's value is at an all-time low right now and that's probably why we shouldn't trade him this offseason.

I'm not going to discuss the Leafs roster because it has what it has and really, when Nylander is the starting point then people need to be equally fair which brings me to the latter part of your post.

Patrick is a very big gamble and the odds do not favor Minnesota coming out looking good. I don't feel just a pick does it. Think of what Dumba representsl. A good D on a decent contract should be worth more than what's suggested here if Nylander is the ask from the Leafs.

Even at an all-time low, Dumba should be worth more than an injured player who has doubts around being healthy enough to be the player people thought he would be.

Nylander was the point from the MN PoV because Tor has nothing else that MN needs/wants. If there isn't/wasn't a deal to be made around Dumba for Nylander then there isn't a deal to be made; which is fine and the conversation ends. MN has a surplus of d-men on their team and in their system, it's why Dumba is available for the right price.

This Philly trade is an interesting idea; is it worth it for MN? Probably not, but neither are 90% of the other Dumba trades on here. It would be a huge gamble, for sure. It's also a guess for the value, not a polished trade.

My point has less to do with the fact he would be a starting point in a trade for Dumba and more along the lines of hey here is a player in Nylander who has been healthy all season and was having a stellar season goals/points wise.

If one takes these things into account, then an injured player in Patrick falls far short of what Dumba's value should be in a trade. Can't say the same things about Patrick as I just mentioned about Nylander.

That's all I was getting at.