Minnesota maybe accepts that if Dubas has blackmail on Guerin

yeah Edmonton ain't doing that lol.

Well Wild and Oilers both reject lol

Do I really need to break out the "No Nylander, No Dumba" line again?

Of course the Oilers would make that deal. They really have no leverage with JP, since based on his actions, JP wouldn't necessarily report to any new team he's traded to. Nevermind the fact that he also isn't a sure bet NHLer. Johnsson in my mind is worth more than a 2nd and a good prospect, so you do the math.

Leafs should have no interest in Dumba. There are better D targets out there that are more consistent in their 200-foot game.

yeah looks like we found the issue right there....

The issue being that some people, most likely including yourself, does not understand what a top-6 young controllable 20-goal scorer costs.

I mean perhaps I'm confused and don't understand... because by using your scale if a 40-45 point pace player who has played the majority of his ice time with Auston Matthews over the last 2 years would be worth "a 2nd and a good prospect" well then a 70 point pace player like Ryan Strome who has played the majority of his ice time with a comparable player such as Panarin would be worth at least a 1st and a good prospect. But then you'd have to add because positionally there's a premium for centers. So are you saying Strome is worth a 1st + Liljegren or Robertson? Because if you weren't, that'd be hypocritical...

Or, alternatively. Perhaps players carried by elite players have their stats inflated. So if Johnsson is a 40-45 point player with Auston Matthews, then mayyyybe if you don't believe Ryan Strome is a 70 point player at heart and want to say he's more of a 40 point player...that's fine. But then Johnsson is also then a 25 point and ,....well not worth much lol.

Don't confuse "points" with goals. If you were a true fan, you would understand how controversial 2nd assists are. I would urge you to look at some comps and see for yourself what range of assets someone like Andreas Johnsson could be worth. Let's also not put Ryan Strome and Andreas Johnsson in the same boat, they have very different situations, and you should know that.

Yeah gotta admit I'm still confused. Last year Strome had 19 goals in 63 Rangers games....mostly in the bottom 6. Johnsson had 20 goals in 73 Maple Leafs games, pretty much entirely in the top 6.... Then he followed that up by putting up a a 40 point pace despite playing over 75% of his ice time with Matthews and over 60% of his ice time with Nylander. Jeez can't be much easier to score than that and yet.... Though your point about 2nd assists is interesting though I don't see how it applies to Strome. Strome finished 16th in the league in Primary assists, tied with Kucherov.... you should know that.

It intrigues me why you insist on comparing Johnsson to Strome. Regardless, the bottom line is that Johnsson has 3 years left on his contract at a AAV of $3.4 million. A young top-6 winger who just last season, his first full season in the NHL, scored 20 goals, is worth significantly more than a 3rd and JP. If you cannot understand that, then I really can't help you any further. Now, I will let you dream of the return for Ryan Strome.

It's a natural comparison. Both of whom have been rightfully flagged as having the vast majority of their success due to having elite linemates. The difference is that Strome has performed significantly better. If you can't at least see that point then I'm not sure this is worth discussing.

I mean it's tough to come up with other comparables for Johnsson because players usually play significantly better when they finally get to play with elite linemates (Reinhart/Olofsson/Skinner with Eichel, Lindholm with Gaudreau, Dylan Strome with Kane). But that's not really the case here, Johnsson's offensive production in the context of his linemates is similar to more defense first players. We're talkin guys like Tom Wilson, Zack Kassian, or even Zach Hyman. In a way, Johnsson's profile is like if you took all the physicality and defensive prowess away from Tom Wilson and just had his offensive ability. That's Johnsson.

If you're more of a fan of goal scoring and need comparables, it's tough to look past Jimmy Vesey, 3 years of around 16-17 goals despite being on the 3rd line and PP2. Now it's tough to say how many more goals he'd get than 20 if he had Johnsson's line mates. but it's not tough to say that he'd easily surpass that.

But yeah I mean enjoy him while he's young... I mean 26 lol.