Hyman ig

Think he's not for sell at the moment, but offer sheeting him with the maximum amount of a 2nd rounder compensation should make things quite hard for TB.

Different thing though is whether Cernak is willing to sign such a contract.

A 2nd and 4.2M in cap space.

If we offered a 2nd plus a 4th for his rights then we could match any offer in the 2nd round compensation range and take compensation for any offer above it.

If I had to guess, TB won't be moving Cernak for that. He's an important part of their roster.

TB would probably HAVE to move Cernak for the offer sheet compensation, but via trade you're not getting him that cheap.

In general, I think only interesting piece from TOR would be a replacement RHD, such as Liljegren...but they'd probably require a NHL level D as well, such as Dermott.

Maybe Dermott+Liljegren for Cernak+some prospect+pick?

That's why offer sheets are an empty threat, the player has to actually want to sign the offer sheet. It rarely happens and is also considered taboo to send one since is basically closes all future business deals for like 5 years.
It's also funny to me how much people on here offer like 4M for him. He's a key piece to Tampa's roster but he's certainly not worth 4M

I like that trade depending on quality of pick and prospect as I think Dermott is gone this year anyway.

Indeed.

As for the prospects, would Stephens+3rd suffice?

How good is Stephens and what position is he. Is there a comparable prospect?

How good is Stephens and what position is he. Is there a comparable prospect?

He's a 23 year old C. He debuted in NHL this year. I'd say he could potentially be a clear cut 3C at some point. Probably slightly weaker than Kerfoot, but better than Gauthier if I had to guess.

Zero chance the Leafs would move Dermott and Lily for Cernak + . Leafs aren't moving Liljegren unless its in a trade for an elite RD like Ellis, Jones, etc.

Yeah that might be true. But that wasn't the question, now was it? The question was "how much does Cernak cost" and the answer is around that ballpark.

It's kinda silly to trade for rights, if you don't know what his contract would be. Leafs have enough cap problems Leafs will get outbid by teams that give Cernak more $$$, and likely some teams could trump any trade offer to Tampa.

I was commenting on what you said about the question and giving you Liljegren's value which is much more than Cernak. Cernak is worth between 3-4M in salary but hes apparently worth the moon in a trade?

He's worth that much for TB because he's their only NHL level RHD under contract. Or should I say, only NHL level RHD who's rights they own.

Much like Manson in Ducks, the only way to pry him out would be an overpayment, and by preferably giving up something they'd actually need in the exchange.

Cernak is worth more than a second rnd pick, but with Tampa's cap situation a 4x4 OS is very hard for them to match as Cernak would be 3rd on the list of RFAs to keep. And contrary to Tampa fan beliefs There are several reasons Cernak would be willing to sign that OS with the leafs

It's not like Leafs had much more cap space either to maneuver with.

But they don't really have a choice unless all those $5M forwards waive cause they're going to sign Cirelli and Sergachev and won't have anything left for Cernak. I can assure you they wouldn't even be asking for Liljegren cause they know Dubas would hang up the phone

Leafs have plenty of space to sign Cernak if they move Johnsson

But they have enough, can offer Top 4 minutes and fantastic partners in Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott and Sandin

Much like TB does if they move Johnson.

Nah they'd definitely ask Liljegren. No one else from TB point of view is interesting piece from TOR.

At least when considering the affordable options.

Don't think so. They'd need to move assets for very cheap to make room.

Dude Cernak is worth like a early-mid 2nd... Liljegren is worth way more. Hes a 1st round pick who's been developing in one of the best farm systems in the league with the best trainers and coaches. He's about to step into the NHL and be a 2nd pairing guy with top pairing upside. Tampa has no leverage as they literally can't keep all of their 3 big RFAs this offseason. You're way off here