love it, Colorado might want more tho

Looks mostly reasonable. Just wouldn’t bank on CBO. Only way seeing that happen is if they cancel the playoffs and loose that revenue.

never been a fan of trading Murray. for the lines id try Bennett with Sid tho. hes a scrappy player and may have some success with sid.

Sid-Jake-Bennett
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
McCann-Jost-Hornqvist
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

I dont' hate the Calgary trade but I don't like it either

Yes you are right.

Colorado say no here.

The 2nd round pick being in 2021 is of no interest because Avs lack a 2nd and want to acquire one using Zadorov or Jost, and we can also acquire a 2020 2nd that's likely higher than Calgary's 2nd. Ideally the return would be a 2nd + 3rd sort of return.

Alternatively a good D prospect + pick would work. For example a Winnipeg fan on here today said that he would be willing to do Chisholm + 3rd for Jost. Sabres fans like the idea of trading Samuelson + 2nd + 3rd for Zadorov + Jost). Basically, futures is better than getting a lesser depth forward.

Alternatively we could package Jost with a pick and get a Josh Anderson or Killorn type.

This type of trade for a depth forward is of no interest though, especially one that has a history of going to arbitration and will cost $2m+. If we wanted a forward like that we could simply resign Nieto or Wilson without giving up assets. But really there is no space for such forwards in Colorado's forward group next season as we will want to promote Kaut next season and those guys are too expensive to be 13th forwards.

That said, I do think Jost would be a good fit in Pittsburgh. You're just going to have to go back to the drawing board with this. Maybe the 2020 CGY 2nd + 2020 PIT 3rd would work, depending on where the picks end up (i.e. if they are both late then I think we can do better trading with another team).

How about Jost for Hallander + CGY 2020 2nd?

doubtful.

Too many people view this team as needing a 3C.

It's way to early to tell yet.
They have basically told Hallander the job of C is his to lose next year. With Him and Blueger I think they are ok at center next year.

i would love to add jost

Ottawa absolutely says no.

What would you be willing to offer to get him?

If you acquire Jost then I guess that would make Hallander expendable, would it not?

why would they do that?
Hallander is on a rookie deal, younger, and has more potential.

Hmm, I don't know if he has more potential. Yes he's younger, but there's a difference between having more potential and simply being younger.

There's a reason why Jost was a 10th overall pick. He clearly has a lot of skill, and the fact that he got drafted that high speaks to his talent that he's yet to unlock consistently in the NHL.

Moreover, a 22 year old with over 200 NHL games is a proven commodity in the NHL, especially compared to a prospect who was drafted 58th and has never played in north america. And for a team like Pittsburgh who are in the last years of their Crosby/Malkin cup window a proven 3rd liner (with 2nd line upside) is much more valuable than an unproven prospect.

That isn't to say that Hallander is bad. I am after all asking about acquiring him in a trade which shows that I think he's a decent prospect. But Jost does still have the higher ceiling and has shown that his floor is as a 3rd liner. Hallander hasn't shown anything yet by comparison.

If players abilities were based on where they were drafted Jost would have at least reached 20 goals by now.
He is basically a bust for where he was drafted at this point.
On the other hand Hallander is 19 and has been on a very strong trajectory. And while he might never be a 30 goal guy. Jost isn't going to be one either.
But at least he brings a strong more physical game to the table, is a much better 2 way guy, and is strong on the dot.
Jost on the other hand has a 36.0% FO.
No thanks.

Jost actually ranks 9th in PPG among players taken 10th overall in the last 25 years. If he even sees a modest bump from 0.354ppg to 0.5ppg that would put him at 5th. It really wouldn't be surprising to see him reach 40 points given that he does actually produce when given the minutes (eg. 7 points in 9 games after the deadline when he got top 6 minutes and PP time due to injuries.

Faceoff % is such an overrated stat. In 2016/17 Avs were one of the best faceoff teams in the league, and yet they finished on 48 points. Go figure...

As for Hallander, it's impressive that you're able to make a claim that a 19 year old who has never played outside of Sweden is already better than a guy playing on the 3rd line of one of the best teams in the league. It's pretty much common knowledge that Jost is good defensively, if he wasn't he'd be nowhere near the Avs lineup. Now, how about waiting until Hallander actually plays in north america before declaring him the 2nd coming of Jere Lehtinen.

yeah ok, faceoffs mean nothing. Go tell that bergeron who's made a career as a dominate faceoff guy.

Who are you kidding. Jost isn't a C, he's a wing. Which is already a failure from his draft position. 9th out of 25 out of players drafted 10th overall isn't that impressive.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/10th-overall/100509/
just look at that list, is it really something to be bragging out?

But hey, you go there.
We'll keep Hallander. Who you seem to like a lot more, which is why you are asking about him.

Bergeron hasn't made a career out of just faceoffs. He's dominant in open play, that's why he's valued so highly, not because of faceoffs.

The draft list just illustrates how ridiculous it is to call Jost a bust. He's only 22 and is already outperforming the vast majority of players on that list.

I'm not actually that infatuated with Hallander. I just figured I would ask about him as an alternative to Rodrigues in the trade in this AGM, since Rodrigues wouldn't move the needle and Hallander seems like the obvious prospect in your prospect pool to enquire about if we are specifically intent on making a trade with Pittsburgh. That said, I think Avs can do a lot better than Hallander if we look to trade Jost, but I was just curious what Pittsburgh fans would think of the idea of that swap. Let's just agree that there's no trade to be made here. Carry on...

sure you are.
And aver Avs ACGM on here is peddling Jost because he's been such a great player.

Just sit down.

Jost isn't a bad player, he just isn't a good fit on the Avs which is why Avs include him in proposals. He was also mentioned by media people to be available at the deadline, so it's natural that we'd use him in AGM's instead of other players that aren't obvious trade candidates. His style of play doesn't really mesh with our north-south game, but there's every chance that he could break out if he gets an opportunity in the top 6 and PP time on another team.

Jost isn't a bad player, he just isn't a good fit on the Avs

this line of BS says it all.
I hate to break it to you, but the whole damn league is turning to a N/S style of play.
So he's not going to fit anywhere, because the truth is, he's really not that good of a player.