You'd probably need to sweeten the pot more than that to get Detroit to take a contract thats more than 2 years long on. Theres plenty of other players we could take for better value with shorter term contracts.

it's one year and a buy out.
And if you see this happening at TDL it's not even a year.
The buyout cost is the same as playing him a year. so it's a wash.

That's nearly $1mil of dead cap space for 4 years after the first season... I just don't understand why we would do that when we could take on contracts that only last one or two years, and just let them expire before we need to resign any major contracts.

it's less than 1 million for 2 of those years. And because you make it up with a rookie contract LD capable of playing 2nd pairing minutes.

Detroit currently has 2 LD Nemeth and Dekeyser, the rest are all prospects. Nemeth isn't great but I'd take him over JJ, Nemeth is cheaper and only 1yr left on his contract. Now JPO could be a good NHL defenseman but he is at least 2-3 years. Value wise it's a fair trade but its one that Detroit can afford to make at this point. Maybe later in the offseason after the draft

Min is not looking for a 3C at all. We have Eriksson Ek, he's the perfect 3C. We need a top 6 center, not a bottom 6 center.

Detroit needs to swing for the fences, their prospect pipeline has a fair few potential bottom 9 forwards and bottom 4 D, they need someone with a shot to be the difference maker at the top. So realistically, its picks or reclamation projects.

Not enough money for DeMelo. He will get at least $2,25M if not $3M on a multi-year deal.

you will never get that for Rental Nemeth.

Detroit lacks real defense prospects with substance that can be ready in 1 year. That's an end of conversation on that.



I don't think his play has earned him that. He had 0 points in 10 games with WPG. How his playoffs go will be telling.
Only 10 assists in 50 games with OTT.
And while defense men are worth more than just their points at times. He's a 3rd pairing guy on most teams.

I don't think you really get it.
They aren't taking a cap dump for Nemeth. They are taking it for POJ.
I also think it's more than a fair offer. You won't have anyone hand you a decent defensive prospect for nothing. There is always a cost.
DET has no choice but to build through prospects. 20 million in bad contracts next year. No FA is walking into that.

there are no 2C available in FA.
unless you are giving up an arm in a leg in a trade for one, you probably aren't finding one.
It is what it is. At the end of the day you still need someone who can play center.

Right, but what I am saying is that if they are taking a cap dump POJ isn't what they need. They need to swing for the fences, and their best path to that is acquiring draft picks. The value on the trade probably isn't too bad, but Detroit is not your trade partner here.

We'll likely use Brodin or Dumba to get one. If that doesn't come to fruition, we'll just re-sign Galchenyuk to a 1 year prove it deal since he actually looked pretty good at center for us instead of giving up assets in a trade like we'd have to do for Bjugstad

i hardly call lat round picks assets.
And Galchenyuk is not a good player. Bjugstad when healthy is a pretty productive player. His problem is health issues. And when he's not healthy it's to LTIR. Which is covered by insurance.
You act like you are losing something here. You should be embarrassed. It's like nothing. MIN can only win on the deal. There is no real loss here.

you are just arguing for argument sake.
Swing for the fences with late 2nd round picks. While passing up a 1st rounder developed to NHL playing level. With that mentality DET will never win.

Uh ok? I'm not embarrassed at all and I'd appreciate if you don't tell me how to feel. Galchenyuk was very solid for us and I'll die on that hill and if you can get a player for free without giving up anything then losing late round picks for a similar player is absolutely losing assets.

If you look at Detroit's depth chart, its not like they have no D prospects of the calibre of POJ. Its that Seider is their only likely top 2 potential D-man. They need another, and POJ is not that. Maybe they take Drysdale at 4 this year, but then they miss out on the top 6 line driving forward that they lack. Put simply POJ does not fill a position of need for Detroit in particular. They need to look at both the value of trades, but the direction it takes them in. That offer might be better suited to New Jersey or LA for example.

LOL yeah keep arguing to argue.
Dekeyser will be on IR every year. Nemeth will be gone at the end of next year. And then you have all of nothing because no quality FA is going to come to a team that has 20 and 14 million in bad contracts with aged bad players and is constantly finishing in last place.
POJ fills a need for DET. 2LD. period.
You don't have one. He's a better prospect than both your current LD prospects that are 19 and 20. And Cholowski is a bust was poorly developed.

But you be you.

I can't help but laugh at you when you are clutching onto Galchenyuk as "help"

That's what you took away from everything I've said? Not that we need a top 6 C and will likely use Brodin or Dumba to make that happen? Not that we shouldn't be giving up assets for a player that doesn't really help us?

I can't blame you for your opinion on Galchenyuk, seems like you're a Pens fan and he looked horrendous in Pittsburgh. Once he was traded to the Wild he looked much better, and I think it was because he fit our system better. He's definitely not the top 6 center we need, but like I said before he will most likely be our last resort option if we can't land the top 6 C that we need in a trade instead of moving picks (even if they're late picks) for a bottom 6 C like Bjugstad. Not to mention he'll almost certainly be cheaper than Bjugstad, I can't imagine Galchenyuk gets more than $2M on a 1 year prove it deal.

Also, if Guerin really wanted Bjugstad, don't you think he would have pushed for him instead of Galchenyuk when we made the Zucker trade?

to answer your question no. The penguins always thought they would get him back to play 3C. That didn't happen and it has caused a depth issue at center for them. McCann is a LW that's where they see him not at center. He's forced there now. That isn't what they wanted. Just like in an ideal world they don't trade him. But cap is a real problem.

And you keep talking about trading for a 2C. who? what team is giving one up? You realize there are a half dozen teams all looking for a legit 2C right?
It just isn't that easy. To think you are giving up something on Bjugstad here is laughable. 5th or 6th round picks mean almost nothing. You are talking about players with a 5% or less chance of making the NHL. They are basically throw ins because you have to have something going back. It shows how sad this site has become when people think giving up a late round pick for a guy who actually plays for you is "giving up assets". You're high.

Johnson, Joseph for Nemeth

This doesn't help the Penguins. After stupidly gaining up Addison, Joseph is the only defense prospect worth a dang. Marino and Pettersson are young, but Letang isnt.
Throwing away Joseph to move Johnson is folly.

Plus, the coaches like Johnson. People need to accept that and move on. Sure, $3.25M for him is $1M too much, but you dont throw away your only D prospect to move that. It's simply not necessary (to move him).

crosby likes johnson...there is a difference.

And Like I said. I don't think the penguins have POJ in their plans.
I highly doubt he ever wears a sweater for the penguins.

This terribly bad