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Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 28, 2020
Published: Jul. 28, 2020
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3$2,750,000
3$2,000,000
2$2,250,000
1$875,000
2$950,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Gourde, Yanni ($666,666 retained)
  2. 2021 1st round pick (TBL)
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Gourde is a versatile two-way forward who just happens to be a bit overpaid for the role he's currently playing. He has good possession metrics and faceoff %; great PK stats; and has a -14% xGA/60 at 5v5 which shows that he's still defensively solid, and with a +1% xGF/60 his team is creating chances with him on the ice at just above league average per 60, which is impressive considering that he's mostly been playing on the 3rd or 4th line.

That said, for for great metrics Tampa are in a huge cap squeeze, and already paid a premium to acquire Coleman and Goodrow. Moving Gourde would solve a huge problem for them, and it would be worth it for them to pay a 1st if it meant being able to keep all of Cirelli/Sergachev/Cernak. The price would be expensive as Colorado would likely be one of the only teams Gourde would waive to play for.
TBL
  1. 2021 7th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Contract wise Gourde does have 5 year term, but his NTC becomes a 23 team trade-to list from 2022 onwards so this is more manageable of a contract than it seems.

A lot of fans were scratching their heads when Sakic acquired Burakovsky and Nichuskin last summer, and perhaps Gourde could be another one of those questionable acquisitions that later turns out to be a shrewd move.
2.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WSH)
SJS
  1. Compher, J.T.
Additional Details:
San Jose need RHS forwards, and Compher would be a good fit in their middle 6.
3.
COL
  1. Pilut, Lawrence [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
4.
COL
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
5.
COL
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Vancouver buy $2m+ capspace at the cost of two 3rd's. Alternatively it could be one 2nd.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
    I really liked Pilut and was excited when he signed with Buffalo, but IDK about him being a top 6 defenseman for Buffalo.
    He played really well in Rochester, not so much in Buffalo
    I also think we did not treat him well, giving him a two way contract
    Remember he started the season hurt and at the time he returned which one of Dahlin, Scandella or McCabe would he have kicked out.
    He certainly would not be playing RHD with Ristolainen, Montour, Miller and Jokiharju holding down the fort.
    Let's be clear, Scandella played much better last year than the previous year, it would be difficult to knock McCabe out of the line up and Dahlin is immovable.
    He did not earn his way into the line up with only 8 pts in 46 games and -12 rating. Especially when Scandella was +9 and had the best PDO of all defensemen.
    He was offered a one way contract it was too late.
    On the other hand, I really do not want a player who takes his ball and goes home when he does not get his way (Puljujarvi).

    BTW getting only a fourth for Scandella was a terrible move made even worse by trading for Frolik.

    The Buffalo organisation is pretty incompetent so it's pretty harsh to hold it against him that he preferred to go to the KHL over being mismanaged by idiots.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Compher would be a good fit in colorados top 6 wink


    Nah. Very good 3rd liner, but ideally he doesn't play on the 2nd line.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Gourde deal is awful, please take it 5 yrs at $4.5M for a small guy who has slowly disappeared since he got his extension. The only seasons he has scored 20+ his shooting percentage was 15+%.


    I kind of view it as getting Namestnikov in UFA along with a free 1st.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Tell Mr. Gourde to pack his bags for Syracuse then


    A GM would be unwise to destroy their reputation like that. Gourde has done nothing wrong. Sending him to the AHL would be an absolutely atrocious play.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Tell Mr. Gourde to pack his bags for Syracuse then


    Haha, what a great way that would be to maintain loyalty with players who sign lower AAV contracts in Tampa so they can get NTC's. That just tells players not to trust the organisation going forward because they couldn't care less about you, and that NTC means very little, so future contracts (eg. Cirelli, Sergachev, Cernak....) will go for the money rather than folding to Tampa's NTC setup with RFA's.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Tell Mr. Gourde to pack his bags for Syracuse then


    "Yanni Gourde pack your sh*t you're headed to Syracuse #Insiderrrrr" tears of joy
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    The Buffalo organisation is pretty incompetent so it's pretty harsh to hold it against him that he preferred to go to the KHL over being mismanaged by idiots.


    Many Buffalo fans like Krueger.
    Botterill added Miller, Jokiharju, Johansson, Vesey and Montour for the entire season, why was the record worse than last year?
    Vesey, Sheary, Skinner, Rodrigues all had epic bad years. Were they ALL mis used?
    The team had the worse PK I can remember, why did it drop so badly from the previous year with essentially the same forwards but upgraded defensemen?
    Who in their right mind starts Sobotka as the #2 RW when Rodrigues is in the press box and Sheary and Vesey are on the third line?
    But you are correct the problems start with the micro managing of the Pegulas.
    Regardless, I do not like players who bolt when the do not get their way, especially when he has only 6 pts in 46 NHL games.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I kind of view it as getting Namestnikov in UFA along with a free 1st.


    Except with a 5yr contract where as I bet they could get Namestikov to sign a 3yr deal for less than Gourde even retained.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Except with a 5yr contract where as I bet they could get Namestikov to sign a 3yr deal for less than Gourde even retained.


    Namestnikov ($4m x 3 years) <------> Gourde ($4.5m x 5 years) + 2021 1st

    Hmmm....
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Namestnikov ($4m x 3 years) <------> Gourde ($4.5m x 5 years) + 2021 1st

    Hmmm....


    Don’t forget the difference too is in 3yrs MacKinnon doesn’t sign an extension. 🧐
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    A GM would be unwise to destroy their reputation like that. Gourde has done nothing wrong. Sending him to the AHL would be an absolutely atrocious play.


    It happens all the time
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
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    Haha, what a great way that would be to maintain loyalty with players who sign lower AAV contracts in Tampa so they can get NTC's. That just tells players not to trust the organisation going forward because they couldn't care less about you, and that NTC means very little, so future contracts (eg. Cirelli, Sergachev, Cernak....) will go for the money rather than folding to Tampa's NTC setup with RFA's.


    If the agent is going to box the team in, box the agent in.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    It happens all the time


    It happens when guys are outplayed and lose their roster spot (not the case here).

    It doesn't happen to force a guy to waive the trade protection that they earned.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Don’t forget the difference too is in 3yrs MacKinnon doesn’t sign an extension. 🧐


    Yeah because Gourde with a 23 team trade-to list with only 2 years remaining is going to be sooooo hard to move right
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    It happens when guys are outplayed and lose their roster spot (not the case here).

    It doesn't happen to force a guy to waive the trade protection that they earned.


    This is like telling your wife, "Honey, you have been a good and loyal partner. I appreciate you choosing me over your other options and sacrificing all other opportunities. However, I came across a younger and better looking lady and would rather keep her than you. While you did nothing wrong, I'm going to make your life a living hell unless you agree to a divorce without alimony and child support."
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    It happens when guys are outplayed and lose their roster spot (not the case here).

    It doesn't happen to force a guy to waive the trade protection that they earned.


    "Hi Yanni's agent. As you know we are in quite a pickle with the cap. I know Yanni has a NTC, but would you get with him and give me a list of teams you might consider? We are in a tough spot and a guy like Yanni might be attractive to a team. He is not the only player with a NTC that we are approaching. If we don't get permission from enough guys to get under the cap, we are looking at having to bury a few players to get there, so please take that into account."

    "Dear Tampa, joe sakic is willing to take Yanni if you give him a first round pick, haha, you can't send him anywhere else."

    "Dear Yanni's agent, tell him to pack his bags for Syracuse"
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    This is like telling your wife, "Honey, you have been a good and loyal partner. I appreciate you choosing me over your other options and sacrificing all other opportunities. However, I came across a younger and better looking lady and would rather keep her than you. While you did nothing wrong, I'm going to make your life a living hell unless you agree to a divorce without alimony and child support."


    yes, its exactly like that. if you have 23 wives, and are allowed up to 50 contracts including "future wives" and you trade your wives every year.

    what an embarrassing argument.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    "Hi Yanni's agent. As you know we are in quite a pickle with the cap. I know Yanni has a NTC, but would you get with him and give me a list of teams you might consider? We are in a tough spot and a guy like Yanni might be attractive to a team. He is not the only player with a NTC that we are approaching. If we don't get permission from enough guys to get under the cap, we are looking at having to bury a few players to get there, so please take that into account."

    "Dear Tampa, joe sakic is willing to take Yanni if you give him a first round pick, haha, you can't send him anywhere else."

    "Dear Yanni's agent, tell him to pack his bags for Syracuse"


    Phrasing it in a nicer manner doesn't make it any less ****ty. Tampa agreed to a contract with trade protection. They can ask Gourde to waive it. If he doesn't want to though, strong arming him is not a valid solution and does not happen all the time.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    Phrasing it in a nicer manner doesn't make it any less ****ty. Tampa agreed to a contract with trade protection. They can ask Gourde to waive it. If he doesn't want to though, strong arming him is not a valid solution and does not happen all the time.


    they aren't going to have a team left if the NTC guys act the way the thread starter proposes they act. there is a hard salary cap in the NHL. so i guess they should destroy their team to avoid hurting yanni gourdes feelings.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    they aren't going to have a team left if the NTC guys act the way the thread starter proposes they act. there is a hard salary cap in the NHL. so i guess they should destroy their team to avoid hurting yanni gourdes feelings.


    No, they should honor the contracts they gave out. They can ask guys to waive. If they don't though, then they have to trade Cirelli and/or Sergachev. They don't threaten and take retribution on guys that have honored their side of the bargain. That's a poor way to do business, and it will likelt hurt them in the long run.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    No, they should honor the contracts they gave out. They can ask guys to waive. If they don't though, then they have to trade Cirelli and/or Sergachev. They don't threaten and take retribution on guys that have honored their side of the bargain. That's a poor way to do business, and it will likelt hurt them in the long run.


    its not retribution, its fitting under the salary cap. right now they have 5 million dollars under the salary cap for next year and only 15 players under contract. if they signed 8 players to the league minimum they would go over the cap, meaning they are already over the cap without signing any of sergachev, cirelli and cernak. 9 of those 15 players have a NTC or NMC.

    so they should trade nikita kucherov to avoid upsetting yanni gourde?
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    its not retribution, its fitting under the salary cap. right now they have 5 million dollars under the salary cap for next year and only 15 players under contract. if they signed 8 players to the league minimum they would go over the cap, meaning they are already over the cap without signing any of sergachev, cirelli and cernak. 9 of those 15 players have a NTC or NMC.

    so they should trade nikita kucherov to avoid upsetting yanni gourde?


    Either you waive or we bury you in the AHL? That's absolutely strong arming and retribution. They only save $1M by burying him and end up in the same predicament anyway, so that's not even a solution. If I'm Gourde, I wait until they lose Cirelli/Serg anyway and then waive as a final FU. I'm not a lawyer, but I would bet he can file some sort of grievance over breach of contract too.

    The Kucherov argument is further out there than my marriage analogy, lol. That's not the situation. Regardless, no one forced Tampa to give out NTCs like they were meaningless. They made their bed and now have to lay in it. Their players don't have to fall on the sword to help them out and shouldn't be punished for not doing so.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Yeah because Gourde with a 23 team trade-to list with only 2 years remaining is going to be sooooo hard to move right


    Yeah because I want a guy who managed his only 2 20 goal seasons shooting 18.4% and 16.9%, and when pushed down in the line up his shooting % and production dropped. Yeah I’ll pass on that and literally give Kaut a top 6 roll instead of hoping he rediscovers his scoring touch (wishful thinking hoping he gets a shooting percentage north of 13% again) and being stuck with that awful contract, knowing I’m giving extensions to everybody not named Girard or Rantanen.
    Jul. 28, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Yeah because I want a guy who managed his only 2 20 goal seasons shooting 18.4% and 16.9%, and when pushed down in the line up his shooting % and production dropped. Yeah I’ll pass on that and literally give Kaut a top 6 roll instead of hoping he rediscovers his scoring touch (wishful thinking hoping he gets a shooting percentage north of 13% again) and being stuck with that awful contract, knowing I’m giving extensions to everybody not named Girard or Rantanen.


    Fair points. I hope you appreciate that I'm purposefully being a bit defensive on the Gourde idea to kind of entice some comments like yours. I really appreciate hearing the different viewpoints as it helps me form an informed opinion on players. I think there's going to be much better and less risky deals for Colorado this offseason than this, so I wouldn't do this trade unless I had exhausted most other possibilities.
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    Jul. 28, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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    My guess is that Tampa would not want to retain any salary at all.

    Zadorov is probably not worth quite that much. His QO comes in over his values as a player; if he were willing to sign for a little under his QO I could see him getting a 3rd.

    More than anything this is not what Colorado should be doing. They are a competing team. They shouldn't be taking on cap dumps and trading away bonafide NHLers for picks and prospects. They should be bundling picks and prospects for help NOW. They should be gunning for Boeser, Toffoli, Huberdeau, etc.
     
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