Nov. 23, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>It's not a bad offer, I just don't see Edmonton dealing their 1st unless they are getting a goalie, and dealing Koskinen in the process.. And I really don't think they'll do Barrie dirty like that and send him to a rebuild in Buffalo when he kind of took a discount to stay in Edmonton, nothing against Buffalo, they look significantly better than last year, but just don't see them as a playoff team this next, or the year after yet..</div></div> I am not the Buffalo Sabres GM (I am sure that is good thing), Let's make it Olofsson, Pysyk, and Hagg for Yamamoto, Barrie and 2022 2nd.
I know nearly all Buffalo ACGM are in love with Olofsson, but the Sabres have many options at LW but ONLY Tuch at RW and only Jokiharju at RHD.
As I said most Sabres fan hated the Barrie and Yamamoto trade.
Most Sabre fans would accept Olofsson being traded for a RHD, I do not know if they would want Barrie.
TBH with you, at the end of the day, if the second was not included, Buffalo would still be a better team with Yamamoto and Barrie, please do not tell any of the other Sabre ACGM's I said that.
Finally, you are correct Buffalo is moving in the right direction so Barrie could be part of that movement.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>You'll get use to it, people are very shortsighted here and always think everyone else is in the wrongdoing. Flashnews; Nobody knows more than one another here, we're just wankers pretending to be important.</div></div> I agree.
I try to listen to other ideas to help me to understand teams needs and value of players.
As I said, at the time, I felt Bergevin may try harder to get Eichel, instead he opted for the cheap alternative.
Today, Caufield, MTL 2022 first, CAR 2022 first, Drouin, Poehling, Tuch and Byron may not appear to be too much.
I think Buffalo would have said yes to that offer, but who knows as you corrected pointed out.
Most important, if Bergevin had over paid for Eichel, Jake would be in the NHL next month.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoopsTroops</b></div><div>Joseph will more than suffice as our 3LW. No need to go out dropping a 1st on Olofsson.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Poehling</b></div><div>LW option : Killorn Palat Barré-Goulet Joseph Maroon Smith Katchouk</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>You know despite not being a full time center anymore, Stamkos has become great in the faceoff dot.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Good lord thats awful for buffalo. A late first isnt even enough to take seabrook, let alone actually get a retained olofsson.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I think he will improve and show a lot in a more expanded role. I feel like there is more offense there and he’s already pretty solid defensively.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoopsTroops</b></div><div>We're talking about Joseph here, right?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Tampa does not need this, Stamkos will play wing not center and they can give a rookie a shot at 3rd line wing</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Not sure why either team does this</div></div> Some fun facts to consider.
First, Olofsson is not the only part of the trade, Buffalo is also taking over $6,000,000 of cap.
I know one will say that he will be put on LTIR, but that means the Bolts will not have any space to pick up a spare part at the TDL.
Second, Olofsson had nearly 10% of all of Buffalo's goals, that is higher percentage than any current Bolt scored last year.
Third, I know this is hard to believe but Victor also had more assists than ANY other Sabre, playing on a team that had nearly on goal less per game than the Bolts.
Fourth, that precious first round pick could easily be the 32nd again, not much to pay for a forward who has 35 goals in his first 116 NHL goals.
Finally, While many responded Olofsson is not needed, most Bolt AVGM thought it was too much while all the Sabres thought taking on Seabrook alone was worth a first round pick.
I think after listening to the comments from both sides, Buffalo is losing this trade badly, giving up goals while taking on salary. Tampa wins easily dumping salary while picking up goals for only a late first.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>That top 9 would be as good as any in the league.
As far as TB goes, the problem is they have the best goalie in the league and probably the best d corp in the league in front of him. Still much better team.
You keep talking about 2 years from now and windows . You have no idea what 2 years from now will bring. 2 years ago did you think Hall would be a Bruin and DK, Krug, and Rask would not? What if Barkov does not extend and tests FA and Boston signs him without giving up an asset to do it? Or they land a pair of quality free agents? What if Studnicka, Beecher, Lauko, Harrison exceed expectations? You act like everyone that could potentially leave won’t be replaced and there will just be a giant hole in the roster. Players come and go all the time.
Funny thing about windows…they close. Can’t keep them open forever. Sometimes the harder you try the more damage you do.
Bottom line. Buffalo does not take this. Lysell a late 1st a bunch of mediocre pieces and a cap dump is not that interesting to them. And under the current set of circumstances Boston should not do it. 🤷🏻♂️</div></div> I see your point.
No one can predict the future, but IMO it pretty obvious that Krug would leave, Rask IMO started to lose it when the Blues won 3 games in Boston (in Boston!), and DK is the same vintage as Bergeron.
But you make a very good point that Boston is not giving up as much as other teams, but it is a decent offer.
In reality, Buffalo would be crazy to accept this offer.
<strong>But we can look at the bright side.
</strong>Go to https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_report.php?pos=Goalies&team=ALL&rookie=All&mingp=020&period=2020-2021%3AR&startdate=&enddate=&report=Avg+Shot+Dist&reportdata_length=30
Boston defense knows how to prevent the dangerous shots, see how TR has the highest average shot distance.
Next go to: 2021 https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_report.php?pos=Goalies&team=ALL&rookie=All&mingp=020&period=2020-2021%3AR&startdate=&enddate=&report=Shots+31%2Bft&reportdata_length=30 Ullmark had a top ten SV% on shots over 31 feet.
Even better go to https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_report.php?pos=Goalies&team=ALL&rookie=All&mingp=020&period=2019-2020%3AR&startdate=&enddate=&report=Shots+31%2Bft&reportdata_length=30 in 2019-'20 Ullmark had the second best SV% on shots beyond 30 feet.
Add together how Boston prevents dangerous shots, and how well Ullmark can stop them, we may be looking at the best GK in Boston next year.
Adding Eichel would really frost the Buffalo fans to lose Eichel and Ullmark to the 2022 Stanley Cup Champions.
It could happen especially with Eichel playing for his home town team.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Debrusk is LW3.
<strong>Fine LW3 if you wish. that does not change what I said, he is added to make up for the salary dumps of Wagner and Moore. Can you not agree to anything? I said he had value! Is it against your nature to agree with anything? </strong>
The rest of that statement is mostly garbage.
<strong>No it is not garbage, seven assets that have low value is a fact that you have to argue against.
The recommended treatment of a herniated neck disc is rehabilitation and pain medication, that is a fact not garbage.
I guess it must also be garbage that I agreed with you that Jack would most likely go to Montreal?</strong>
Also…Eichel is good…not God. Yes point a game centers do not grow on trees. But he’s below average defensively and at the faceoff circle, has a bit of selfishness, questions about his character. Clearly does not work well with Hall who would be paired with again.
<strong>Well he should not be with Hall and that was stupidity on Krueger. They are both playmakers, then to add Reinhart to that line was insane.
Maybe Boston makes a third line like Pittsburg with Kessel.
Put Eichel on the line with Ritchie and Smith. As well as they played last year, Eichel will make them better.
Hall can carry his own line with Coyle at center.
I think his defense had improved dramatically, you may be correct on the selfishness (this whole herniated disc is an example), certainly correct about faceoffs.</strong>
Let’s stop acting like he’s a top 5 center and top 10 player in the league. He isn’t. There are 4 guys on the B’s alone that i’d rather have as a GM and that is just 1 team.
<strong><strong>In two years two of them are gone. The window is closing. Boston is not giving up pure gold here to get a pt/gm center who makes his wingers look better.</strong></strong>
There are other options that come with far less risk, less cost.</div></div>
Marchand Bergeron Pasternak
Haula Eichel Smith
Hall Coyle Foligno
I know Tampa is good but I will match that top nine with anyteam.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Debrusk is neither a cap dump or 4th on LW depth chart.
<strong>Go to https://www.capfriendly.com/depth-charts/bruins tell me where DeBrusk fits?
I said he DeBrusk had value as he was added for taking on the Moore and Wagner.</strong>
Beyond that…it’s 7 assets for a guy who may never play again. 🤷🏻♂️ If he does he may never be the same. And a 10m cap hit with Bergy, Mac, Rask to sign for next year and Pasta after that.
<strong>Seven assets, Buffalo offers Kyle Okposo, Jeff Skinner (40 goal season on his resume), Colin Miller, Arttu Ruotsalainen (more goals and pts than Studnicka), Ryan Johnson (first round pick), Erik Portillo (awarded the USHL’s Goaltender of the Year award after posting a .915 save percentage in his rookie year.) and 2022 2nd round pick for Pasternak.
You cannot be serious to say Moore and Wagner are assets. Buffalo may be willing retain but I think Boston would need to add.</strong>
Not saying it’s an overpay….it isn’t. It’s just a bad idea until after he’s had the surgery and see where he’s at.
<strong>Here is the deal, please read was is the recommend treatment for a herniated neck disc. Rehabilitation and pain medication.
It is Jack's surgeon who thinks surgery should be performed.</strong>
I think he ends up in Montreal at this point. They let KK walk, dump Drouin, and trade for Eichel.
<strong>You could be correct, from what I have seen on this site, the offers are better than this.
But what will Boston be in 2 years, Pastenak, Hall and McAvoy.
The window is closing, we need to make a move now.</strong></div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KennyBoi</b></div><div>This aint nhl21 franchise mode</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Sweeney says “i want to be fired” is more like it.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skull_King</b></div><div>Big overpay</div></div> Thanks for your comments.
Here is how I see the trade:
Moore and Wagner are cap casualties and DeBrusk is added for cap reduction as well but as payment for taking Moore and Wagner.
Lysell, is the most valuable asset going to Buffalo. He could be in the NHL in two years.
Studnicka, was drafted four years ago and has 22 games and 4 NHL points under his belt.
Contrast that with Mittelstadt who was drafted the same year who has 155 games and 61 points and Kotkaniemi who was drafted a year later than Studnicka and he has 171 NHL games and 62 points.
Are we suppose to believe that he will be as good as either of them?
Vaakanainen, has yet to break into the Bruin line up was also drafted in 2017.
Miller, Carlo, Kampfer , Clifton, Reilly, Lauzon, Zboril all play ahead of him, how many of them are marginal NHL defensemen?
2022 1st round pick (BOS) hopefully will be the last pick of the first round.
The way I view this trade, Boston is giving up three cap dumps (maybe DeBrusk will turn it around but on the depth chart he is Boston's 4th LW)-
One decent not great prospect, two 22 yo prospects (who may never be regular NHL players) and a very late first round pick.
How much longer will 33 yo Marchand and 36 yo Bergeron be in the NHL?
The window is getting smaller, get Jack now and the Bruins will have 6 good top forwards, the three mentioned with Hall, Ritchie, and Pasternak.
<strong>Monahan</strong>, good top line center certainly not in the Eichel category
Bennett, his production has really dropped off the last two years, IMO does not add any value to the trade as Buffalo has many bottom 6 forwards.
<strong>Kylington</strong>, LHD Buffalo could use him for depth purposes.
<strong>Zary</strong>, IMO a solid piece of this transaction. He could be in the NHL in two years
Parsons, decent GK prospect. Buffalo has a couple of good ones so this does not add much to the trade.
<strong>Giordano</strong>, Solid veteran LHD still producing with only 2 years remaining on his contract.
<strong>2021 1st round pick (CGY)
2023 1st round pick (CGY)
I put in bold the key pieces.
While Monahan will never make any one forget about Jack he is solid.
Giordano may be just the defenseman who could help our young blueliners develop.
Three good pieces for the future Zary, 2021 1st round pick (CGY) and 2023 1st round pick (CGY)
While I am not inclined to trade an all star center, the Sabres are spinning their wheels the last five years. I would bite the bullet and make this trade.
What about: Eichel and Miller for Monahan, Hanifin, 2021 and 2022 first round picks?