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Created by: Shibbal18
Initial Creation Date: Jul 28, 2020
Published: Jul 28 at 5:29
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kahun, Dominik3$2,800,000
Lazar, Curtis2$900,000
Olofsson, Victor4$4,000,000
Reinhart, Sam6$7,000,000
Thompson, Tage2$874,125
Ullmark, Linus3$2,750,000
Zadorov, Nikita5$3,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Brossoit, Laurent2$1,250,000
Perry, Corey2$1,250,000
Peca, Matthew2$800,000
Spezza, Jason2$975,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
  2. Compher, J.T.
COL
  1. Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
  2. Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Helm, Darren ($1,925,000 retained)
DET
  1. Johansson, Jonas [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
  • Carter Hutton: $916,667
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$77,816,667$1,275,000$4,337,500$3,683,333
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$4,000,000
LW, RW
RFA
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$7,000,000
RW, C
RFA
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Spezza, Jason
$975,000
C, RW
UFA
Perry, Corey
$1,250,000
RW
UFA
BUF
Kahun, Dominik
$2,800,000
LW, RW, C
RFA
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C
RFA - 3
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
$4,500,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Helm, Darren
$1,925,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,250,000
LD/RD
RFA
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$2,750,000
G
RFA
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
Brossoit, Laurent
$1,250,000
G
UFA
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
$900,000
C, RW
RFA
BUF
Borgen, William
$864,166
RD
RFA - 1

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Jul 28 at 5:34
#1
Joined: Apr 2020
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colorado passes. montour and mittlestadt don't solve any problems for the avs while trading compher leaves a hole at 3c.
Jul 28 at 5:35
#2
Hoping for Foerster
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You can steal a pick from Detroit because you’re taking their cap dump.
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Jul 28 at 5:36
#3
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Not for this team it's not back
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Jul 28 at 5:37
#4
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not a fan of this trade, not a big fan of Montour plus Mittelstadt doesnt move the needle for the Avs, he is a worse version of Jost who Avs need to find a role for.
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Jul 28 at 5:40
#5
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I like the Avs deal for the Sabres but this second line looks like a disaster. Also the pairing of Zadorov and Risto would be a great drill in the zone. Pair Risto with McCabe and Zadorov with Joker
Jul 28 at 5:43
#6
burn the pegulas
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bad name for the post when making a sabres team 😔
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Jul 28 at 5:46
#7
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That's a no from Colorado. Montour is decent, but we don't really need him, nor do we have a desire for a reclamation project in Mittelstadt.

Offer us futures or Reinhardt if you want to deal.
Jul 28 at 5:50
#8
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: Richard88
That's a no from Colorado. Montour is decent, but we don't really need him, nor do we have a desire for a reclamation project in Mittelstadt.

Offer us futures or Reinhardt if you want to deal.


Bahahahaha reinhart for that?
Jul 28 at 5:52
#9
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
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Quoting: dzmets
I like the Avs deal for the Sabres but this second line looks like a disaster. Also the pairing of Zadorov and Risto would be a great drill in the zone. Pair Risto with McCabe and Zadorov with Joker


I love the second line
Jul 28 at 5:58
#10
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Bahahahaha reinhart for that?


No. Obviously there would be more pieces involved. But there just isn't a trade around Compher + Zadorov (+) that works because Buffalo doesn't have pieces other than futures and top 6 forwards (which they likely won't give up).
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Jul 28 at 6:12
#11
Joined: Jul 2018
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Quoting: HabsFan9
You can steal a pick from Detroit because you’re taking their cap dump.
That's a smart @$$ answer, but factually incorrect. Helm was serviceable last year. When the team trading the servicable player retains salary making him only a 1.925M player you have to pay for that---not get something. The cap dumps would be taking on Abdelkader or Nielsen--but with 35M in cap space next year and only 5 players under contract the following year...the Wings don't need to dump cap. In fact they be taking advantage of dumb GM's that will be selling for pennies on the dollar
Jul 28 at 7:03
#12
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: dca919
That's a smart @$$ answer, but factually incorrect. Helm was serviceable last year. When the team trading the servicable player retains salary making him only a 1.925M player you have to pay for that---not get something. The cap dumps would be taking on Abdelkader or Nielsen--but with 35M in cap space next year and only 5 players under contract the following year...the Wings don't need to dump cap. In fact they be taking advantage of dumb GM's that will be selling for pennies on the dollar


I dont understand why people dont see his value
Jul 28 at 7:35
#13
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 949
Likes: 388
Montour> zadorov
Mittelstadt > compher
Jul 28 at 7:45
#14
Joined: Apr 2020
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I love the second line


So if they all increase their production for the year we can hope for 30 maybe 35 goals for the season from the second line if they get some puck luck. That ought to take the pressure of line one and insulate Cozens matchups real well
Jul 28 at 10:06
#15
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: dzmets
So if they all increase their production for the year we can hope for 30 maybe 35 goals for the season from the second line if they get some puck luck. That ought to take the pressure of line one and insulate Cozens matchups real well


People think trading 8OA for 40 pt Henrique and Rakell is a good idea. Same production here for much cheaper. Plus production is a result of usage and linemates. Use them in offensive heavy situations, Skinner doesnt even want to play d anyway
Jul 28 at 10:07
#16
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Montour> zadorov
Mittelstadt > compher


Montour > Zadorov (different styles)
Mittelstadt < Compher (Mittelstadt is an AHLer currently, while Compher is a great 3rd liner on 1 of the best teams in the league)
Jul 28 at 10:15
#17
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Montour > Zadorov (different styles)
Mittelstadt < Compher (Mittelstadt is an AHLer currently, while Compher is a great 3rd liner on 1 of the best teams in the league)


Compher is a career 3rd liner and will never amount to anything more. So why would you not bank on mitts potential
Jul 28 at 10:17
#18
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Compher is a career 3rd liner and will never amount to anything more. So why would you not bank on mitts potential


A career 40 point 2 way 3rd liner is part of the missing puzzle pieces in Buffalo. If Mitts isnt a top 6 forward, he flames out, hes not fit for the bottom 6, and hes quickly running out of spots in Buffalo.
Jul 28 at 10:35
#19
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Quoting: Shibbal18
People think trading 8OA for 40 pt Henrique and Rakell is a good idea. Same production here for much cheaper. Plus production is a result of usage and linemates. Use them in offensive heavy situations, Skinner doesnt even want to play d anyway


Same production. Over the past 2 years 88 games Cory Perry has a total.of 20 even strength points playing with mostly top 6 linemates. Spezza.over 134 games over the last two years has 23 even strength points playing with mostly top 6 linemates in Dallas and third line players with Toronto. That gives you nowhere near the production that Henrique and Rackell offer. Trading 8 o/a isn't my favorite idea but bringing in Henrique who generates consistenrlyb40 - 50 points per season and about 20 goals and the same with Rackell is a much greater impact. Henrique alone doubled the goal production of these 2 players last year.
Jul 28 at 11:02
#20
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: dzmets
Same production. Over the past 2 years 88 games Cory Perry has a total.of 20 even strength points playing with mostly top 6 linemates. Spezza.over 134 games over the last two years has 23 even strength points playing with mostly top 6 linemates in Dallas and third line players with Toronto. That gives you nowhere near the production that Henrique and Rackell offer. Trading 8 o/a isn't my favorite idea but bringing in Henrique who generates consistenrlyb40 - 50 points per season and about 20 goals and the same with Rackell is a much greater impact. Henrique alone doubled the goal production of these 2 players last year.


Henrique is .39 5v5 ppg over the last 2 seasons. Rakell has the exact same stats in 19 less games. Spezza was playing with mostly 3rd and 4th liners in his last year in Dallas (https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jason-spezza). He has .25 5v5 ppg over the last 2 years, with those 3rd and 4th liners, Perry is .23 with mostly bottom 6 time except for right after he had come back from injury. 2 are free, just monetary and cap costs, 2 cost 8OA
Jul 28 at 11:28
#21
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Henrique is .39 5v5 ppg over the last 2 seasons. Rakell has the exact same stats in 19 less games. Spezza was playing with mostly 3rd and 4th liners in his last year in Dallas (https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jason-spezza). He has .25 5v5 ppg over the last 2 years, with those 3rd and 4th liners, Perry is .23 with mostly bottom 6 time except for right after he had come back from injury. 2 are free, just monetary and cap costs, 2 cost 8OA


Perry played with Seguin or Benn on well over 1/2 of his shifts. Spezza played with Kapanen on the majority of his shifts this year. .24 to .39 points per game equates to 25 extra points over 82 games let's split that and say 15 goals as Henrique and Rackells gpg rates are a much higher contrast between them and the players you proposed. That brings the Sabres from 21st in 5 vs 5 goals for to around 13 or 14th and makes them a playoff team as opposed to not even in during the expanded playoffs. That is a huge difference. Again Henrique and Rackell aren't my favorite idea but a way better plan than Perry and Spezza even if it costs us significant assets. If I were Eichel the moment I found out this was the plan to help this team score more goals I would request a trade.
Jul 29 at 7:49
#22
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: dzmets
Perry played with Seguin or Benn on well over 1/2 of his shifts. Spezza played with Kapanen on the majority of his shifts this year. .24 to .39 points per game equates to 25 extra points over 82 games let's split that and say 15 goals as Henrique and Rackells gpg rates are a much higher contrast between them and the players you proposed. That brings the Sabres from 21st in 5 vs 5 goals for to around 13 or 14th and makes them a playoff team as opposed to not even in during the expanded playoffs. That is a huge difference. Again Henrique and Rackell aren't my favorite idea but a way better plan than Perry and Spezza even if it costs us significant assets. If I were Eichel the moment I found out this was the plan to help this team score more goals I would request a trade.


Eichel WiLl ReQuEsT a TrAdE is played out and only people with bad takes use it
Jul 29 at 9:01
#23
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Quoting: coga16
not a fan of this trade, not a big fan of Montour plus Mittelstadt doesnt move the needle for the Avs, he is a worse version of Jost who Avs need to find a role for.


nailed the analysis on this.
COL has no use for Montour and "no pull up" Mittelstadt IS a worse version of Jost
Jul 29 at 9:39
#24
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Eichel WiLl ReQuEsT a TrAdE is played out and only people with bad takes use it


I said if I were Eichel I would request a trade, because I would feel this organization is clueless and never going to improve. I have no way of knowing what he is thinking. Perhaps he will like the idea of the team addressing their biggest need in goal scoring by bringing in two players that have average a combined 14 goals over the past 2 seasons is a good idea. Maybe he will advocate that they bring in Pat Maroon to complete the line and healthy scratch skinner.
 
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