When people lose their mind

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Created by: Gordon_Bombay

Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2020

Published: Aug. 5, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Sometimes you see trades like:
Freddie and a 2nd for Jarry

Or Nylander for Roy

Freddie was the best of the Leafs in two games so far. 1 goali in total, 0.982 save percentage, calm, good presence. wake up. Andersen is an elite goalie

Also, Nylander is just a fantastic offensive player who is extremely gifted in skating, puck handling in front of the net as well as getting players open. Of course the Leafs played much better yesterday, but Matthews had 6 shots when he was with Nylander in game one and only 3 in game two, Tavares had 2 shots in game one and 8 in game two with Nylander. This is not all due to Nylander, but he plays his part of getting guys open

Some people just live in a different world.

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (44%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
27	$81,500,000	$96,271,866	$0	$0	-$14,771,866

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell $10,893,000$10,893,000 RW UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Clifford, Kyle $800,000$800,000 LW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 4	Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Mikheyev, Ilya $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW NTC UFA - 1	Clarkson, David $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
		Malgin, Denis $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Ceci, Cody $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $675,000$675,000 G UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 3	Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 2
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

Aug. 5, 2020 at 3:27 a.m.

Stgstg55

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Those same people also live in the world where people think Andreas Johnnson and Pierre Engvall are worth a ton of value

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Aug. 5, 2020 at 3:46 a.m.

PinkWhitney

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When did you ever see Nylander for Roy? Haha. That's the first I've heard of that one. Wouldn't surprise me though.

Aug. 5, 2020 at 5:11 a.m.

GMs

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I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

Aug. 5, 2020 at 5:27 a.m.

Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: GMs

I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

He is an allstar, has solid career numbers in both regular- and postseason. And during the last years he saved the Leafs a lot when they decided that playing defence is boring.

Not saying that he is better than Price, but over his career, they have the same save percentage in the regular season and Andersen has the better playoff save percentage. I know that that stats are everything, but I also don't deny that Price is still elite.

I would say over the last 3 years, he is among the 10 best goalies in the NHL

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Aug. 5, 2020 at 6:42 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: GMs

I don’t know if Andersen is Elite, he plays against CBJ offense, not a big threat. Like Murray against MTL offense, not a big threat even if he puts up good numbers ... but he’s good tho

I would be on the fence re: Andersen being elite if it were just his numbers in Anaheim. He had great D in front of him, and they made some goalies look a lot better than they were (Hiller, Bryz, Giguere in the latter part...guy was a tank when he went on his Conn Smythe run though...), but with Toronto, as @Gordon_Bombay said, he gets hung out to dry on a regular basis. IMO, it's why the numbers are somewhat inconsistent. I'd say the same thing about Price though (And yes, Price > Andersen), and, as a Ducks fan, the same thing about Gibby.

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Aug. 5, 2020 at 7:52 a.m.

junoandkeisha

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

Yes, he is an all-star. An all-star that has given up more goals like the first CBJ game, than any other goalie. He just always gives up the bad goal. Having said that, do you just let him walk? I don’t think so.

Aug. 5, 2020 at 7:54 a.m.

AJC13

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"When People Lose Their Mind", (Gordon Bombay) they attempt the triple deke on a penalty shot.

By the way, the best way to defend the Flying V is to check the first player into the next two, who then fall into the next two. Though the Flying V might be effective against an overly finesse team like Toronto.

Aug. 5, 2020 at 8:19 a.m.

palhal

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When people lose their mindWATCH THREAD

Strange when the Leafs lost the first game to CBJ, I read that on CF, that Leafs have no grit, or any good RHD. Leafs win game 2, not one comment on CBJ not having grit or RHD Jones poor decision leading to the Leafs second goal.

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Aug. 5, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.

Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: junoandkeisha

The question if not if you trade him or not, but for sure not with a 2nd round pick for a backup like Jarry. And most goalies give up bad goals. He is also saving a lot of goals with world class saves, like he did not Bjorkstrand in game 1.

Aug. 5, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.

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Gordon_Bombay

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Quoting: AJC13

"When People Lose Their Mind", (Gordon Bombay) they attempt the triple deke on a penalty shot.

I see that after 30 years, people figured out a way to defend my flying V. what if that first guy is Dustin Byfuglien who is hard to knock over, especially if the second guys would be Tom Wilson type players who would also push him forward?

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Aug. 5, 2020 at 9:07 a.m.

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AJC13

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

Touché

Aug. 5, 2020 at 9:49 a.m.

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Bcarlo25

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It goes both ways. I think roughly 8% of the entire internets HTML is dedicated to leaf fans posting an ACGM of trading a third liner, a prospect that stinks, and a 4th for Brett Pesce. Then an equal amount goes to the typical trade of 5 things that leafs fans don’t really care about, for an elite D, because “that’s so much value!!!”

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