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And while I like going after Larkin keandre can’t be involved

K'Andre Miller is untouchable.

You aren’t getting a player like Larkin without a prospect like KAM

Why would DET trade a 24yr old 70pt centerman, whose a local kid and their best player?

So we aren't getting him. Simple.

They won't. Unrealistic.

WOW. I am sure that Larkin is untouchable for starters, so if somehow the Rangers are able to get the Red Wings to talk about him there would have to be an "untouchable" piece coming back.

But really rangers fans need to read the CBA sometime. With them getting Laf and having the current crop of young guns they are going to have a team cap more in the range of 76 million give or take with not LTIR space. Bonuses are allowed to be 7.5% over the cap, meaning with 81.5 million cap they can have 6.1 million in bonuses if they are spending to the cap. With Laf they will have bonuses that will be pushing 11 million meaning that have to be 5 million or so below the cap. WIth the way LTIR is set up you cant get away with burying cap there either.

Dreams are nice but keep damn

Totally agree. Cost controlled LHD will be very important to building on what you have

As untouchable as Larkin is (even though he shouldn't be), I think Yzerman would have to accept that

I'm not sure he would be allowed to, he is a big fan draw, being a local kid, and incredibly good even on a bad team. If the rangers want to trade Lafreniere for him straight up, sure. They would be stupid to do that, but that allows Detroit a player who draws crowds in Detroit, with a player who draws crowds in Detroit.

When did Miller become this untouchable, top flight prospect? He wasn't very good for a stacked Wisconsin time this past season. He wasn't very good at the WJC. He's just big and can skate- the upside and raw tools are very good, but to call him untouchable in a trade for a superstar center is ridiculous

That's ok Larkin Is more untouchable

This doesn’t do it as there isn’t any blue chip prospect or high draft picks. The NYR pick next year will be mid to late in a weaker draft and Carolina will do well this year. I’m not a huge Miller fan and Strome was carried by Panarin.

Never implied he was available. We stand on the same ground.

But not as untouchable as Larkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incredibly good is quite generous. Unfortunately I think he is put on a pedestal because he is the UMich/Michigan kid that says all the right things on a very bad team. In reality he is a middle of the road C and a very good skater. I am fine with building around him and Mantha/Bert/Zadina/Seider etc but untouchable is not a word I would use for him.

I never said he wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think his untouchable status is more of an intangible. He is worth more to the RedWings than he is to any other team. If you're going to pick one guy to play out their entire career on Detriot, its him.

Yeah, that doesn't mean he should. You could've said that about Howard and Abdelkader too... (barf).

I know you didn't but you do understand a players value is more than the points he puts up and I'm hoping this conversation will stop this before it gets out of control. Because Detroit isn't trading Larkin!!!!!!!!!

Over the last 3 years he's been one of the top 20 producing centers at 5v5 and 31st in all situations...at 24yr old on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Saying he's incredibly good is not quite generous at all and maybe underselling him a bit.

A lot depends on his play and contract demands, he is certainly more fundamentally talented than Abby, Howard had his day and is just declining with age now. Howard being a career Red Wing would feel right. Though he should probably hang them up, pick up a great coaching job in Michigan and live a comfortable life.

Yeah, it would take a massive overpayment for me to consider pulling the trigger on shipping him off and this isn’t it.


I think people have a difference in the word “untouchable” everyone is available for trade even McDavid if the price is right. Hell, Gretzky was traded so no one is “untouchable”. In this thread alone K’Andre Miller is “untouchable” so I guess it depends on their definition.

When someone goes straight to advances stats I know they either don't watch the guy play or dont know what they're talking about.

Larkin is a great player, I never said he wasn't. I am simply saying this whole concept of him being untouchable bc he's the hometown kid is silly. That offer would be tough to turn down.

When did points become advanced stats HAHAHA. Basic numbers to the league don't support your claim, but sure I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about being untouchable, I'm saying that you saying "Incredibly good is quite generous" is laughable because he more than incredibly good. It is funny that now in this post you call him a great player. So somehow in your eyes he's not incredibly good, but he's a great player? At this point your contradicting yourself and you seem like the one that doesn't know what your talking about.

While Detroit isn't my #1 team, I follow them as much as I can. Pavel Datsyuk is my favorite non-Bruin of all-time and I've had a soft spot for Detroit because of it. Is Larkin "untouchable" as they say? no, because no one is untouchable. Is there value to Detroit in Larkin being a hometown kid and star of the team who puts fans in the stands? yes, there's a lot because these are business and their goal is to make money. This deal doesn't entice Detroit to trade Larkin:

Miller - Has top 4 upside, but is still an unknown, wasn't great this year for Wisconsin either.
Wall - Solid goalie prospect with a solid NCAA career, but that doesn't always translate to NHL success. Goalies usually take longer to develop as well
Strome - Product of Panarin, good #3C but that's it

That leaves the draft picks where are just more unknowns. So Please tell me how this package entices Detroit to trade a 24yr old 70pt center that is a fan favorite and puts people in the stands aka generates revenue.