Does Pietrangelo in MTL make sense

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Created by: oaken

Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 16, 2020

Published: Aug. 16, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Main idea is, MTL will most likely keep Weber until he retires, but his minutes will need to be managed more and more. I Don't think it makes much sense to resign Petry (around 6m) who will be 33 next year and have him assume more and more responsibility. But he can be a solid 2nd pairing guy on a team that is either weak on the right side or wants a year to see if he would be a good fit (he has a M-NTC, but can list only 15 teams for no trade, some fit could be found for both him and the Habs). Habs also do not have enough strong prospect at RD to carry the load.

Now with the cap not going up this year and maybe next year too. It could be a good time for a team with some cap space to make a splash while other GM will have to be more conservative. Pietrangelo is an upgrade on petry and 2 years younger.

Now next year is the big puzzle, I think Seattle takes one of Mete, Byron or Lehkonen which will make some of the decision for the Habs.

At that point it's probably gonna be time to make some space for Caufield or some other young prospect. One thing i don't like about the current roster is no ELC on the wings.

With petry off the book, you have a total of 5.5m left at the en of 20-21 to help resign KK, Gally, Tuna and Danault. Unless KK has a remarkable 3rd season he will most likely sign a bridge deal. Main consequence of getting Pietr is they probably would have to chose 2/3 of Gally, Tuna and Danault. When Suzuki will be up for new contract, Alzner will finally be off the book.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Domi, Max	6	$5,500,000
Mete, Victor	2	$1,500,000
Evans, Jake	2	$950,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Pietrangelo, Alex		6	$8,500,000

Trades

MTL

2021 1st round pick (WSH)

Additional Details:

This could be anything, use petry as an all season rental. Habs can keep half is salary for his last season. You could also package him to try to land a prospect (maybe poulin in PIT if they dont resign schutz?). Key is Petry half price for future.

WSH

Petry, Jeff ($2,750,000 retained)

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $2,750,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$75,994,642	$0	$3,157,500	$5,505,358

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tatar, Tomas $4,800,000$4,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 1	Domi, Max $5,500,000$5,500,000 C, RW UFA - 2
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Danault, Phillip $3,083,333$3,083,333 C UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $2,600,000$2,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Lehkonen, Artturi $2,400,000$2,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $950,000$950,000 C UFA - 2	Weal, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 6	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 6
Mete, Victor $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Pietrangelo, Alex $8,500,000$8,500,000 RD UFA - 7	Lindgren, Charlie $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 2
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Fleury, Cale $771,666$771,666 ($20,000$20K) RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Alzner, Karl $4,625,000$4,625,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

DenisPotvin

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I think Pietrangelo is getting 7 years and almost assuredly over 9 million/season...

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

justaBoss

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Think you're 2 mil shy on what is needed for Petro - especially on only a 6 year deal.

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

aadoyle

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no, petry is cheaper and if Pitrangelo starts to regress they will be stuck with 2 aging dman who could slow down the team

Also he turned down that offer when the blues asked back in October, the guy wants a big payday

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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7.5 in St. Louis is more money after taxes than 8.5 in Montreal. I bet St. Louis can find the room to give him 7.5.

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

oaken

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Quoting: DenisPotvin

I think Pietrangelo is getting 7 years and almost assuredly over 9 million/season...

very possible, but i'm wondering who can offer him that St-Louis will already have 2 other RD at 5m+. Seems like They might be moving on, but of course the taxe situation is a big issue. Here i think there is some room for negotiation for 7 years.

Quoting: aadoyle

more chances to end up with 2 aging Dman if you have to resign Petry because you have no other option after 20-21, he will also probably want terms of at least 4-5 years and he and weber are closer in age.

Aug. 16, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.

Nhl_oilers

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I think Toronto would most rather Petry..

Aug. 16, 2020 at 11:01 p.m.

GMs

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Useless post, Petry is getting extend this summer

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Aug. 17, 2020 at 8:56 a.m.

JeffFromMontreal

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First off, I like it when people take the time to explain their thought process and not just post a stupid AGM. So congrats on that!

What I don't like about this particular scenario is that MTL would have roughly $27M committed to only 3 players. Great players, but all 3 are most likely declining sooner than later. I think it would me a mistake to get a $8.5M player to replace Petry, who would probably sign a 4-year extension this offseason for $6-6.5M, IMO. If not less because of the flat cap uncertainty... Remember, the cap issues affect both the players and the teams...

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Aug. 17, 2020 at 8:25 p.m.

oaken

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Quoting: Carlapin007

First off, I like it when people take the time to explain their thought process and not just post a stupid AGM. So congrats on that!

Thanks

Quoting: Carlapin007

What I don't like about this particular scenario is that MTL would have roughly $27M committed to only 3 players. Great players, but all 3 are most likely declining sooner than later. I think it would me a mistake to get a $8.5M player to replace Petry, who would probably sign a 4-year extension this offseason for $6-6.5M, IMO. If not less because of the flat cap uncertainty... Remember, the cap issues affect both the players and the teams...

With a resign of Petry at 6M it's still a lot commited to aging players (7yr pietr or 4yr petry has them both locked up untill 37), in lets say 3 years you have 38yo Weber and 35yo Petry for ish 14M.
That is my main concern, targeting Pietr does feel risky, Habs would go from a team confortable with where they are with the cap to a team hoping it restart going up ASAP.

Feels like Habs need a D-Man on the rise (neither pietr nor petry in a perfect world) to slowly take responsibility away from Weber, and it seems like they will need that sooner than whatever time romanov/brook/norlinder will be ready.

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Aug. 18, 2020 at 8:12 a.m.

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JeffFromMontreal

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Quoting: oaken

Thanks

With a resign of Petry at 6M it's still a lot commited to aging players (7yr pietr or 4yr petry has them both locked up untill 37), in lets say 3 years you have 38yo Weber and 35yo Petry for ish 14M.
That is my main concern, targeting Pietr does feel risky, Habs would go from a team confortable with where they are with the cap to a team hoping it restart going up ASAP.

Feels like Habs need a D-Man on the rise (neither pietr nor petry in a perfect world) to slowly take responsibility away from Weber, and it seems like they will need that sooner than whatever time romanov/brook/norlinder will be ready.

Yep, they'd need a 26 year-old Petry!

But I realy think that Petry has 4-5 years of good hockey left. And 6M would be digestible now and even more when the cap goes up. Beit for MTL or for another team if they want to move him. I'd try to get that young stud via trade (Domi?)...

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