Mantha is not being traded and especially not for danault

It's a 3 team trade. Detroit isn't getting Danault, they're getting a high pick.

To Detroit: 8th overall pick
To Buffalo: Danault
To Montreal: Mantha


.. it's not bad actually

where is the rest of the deal? I mean where does Buffalo get something back for the 8th overall pick

If the wild are capable of resigning Brodin, there is no way you can get him by giving up just Domi

Oh ok now it makes more sense. I still don't know if he gets traded as a guy who can score but it's much more reasonable now

Yeah I was thinking that too. I think more needs to go to Buffalo for this. Danault does not = 8OA

... do you know what a 3 team trade is? That is the whole trade. Buffalo would get Danault in exchange for sending the 8th overall pick to Detroit in order for them to send Mantha to Montreal so Montreal sends Buffalo Danault..

Yeah I get the idea but I'm not moving him for denault

A bonafide top 6 centre with excellent 2 way play and it's a division rival? .. 8th overall might be a bit much but to a division rival you'll always overspend

well, this would just be a bad trade for Buffalo then. And they can just trade outside of the Divison.

Danault is a 50 point player at best.

But why not just use that 8 OA on a center then? Eichel's not going anywhere. Reinhart's not going anywhere. Just build for the future and try out a UFA or something like that. If I was in a win-now mode I'd trade that pick, but Buffalo isn't desperate to win now.

Montreal accepts
Detroit at least considers
Buffalo declines

I know Danault is good but at least in my eyes isn’t worth 8OA

Danault may only be a 50 point centre but points are t everything. He's one of the best 2way centres in the league.

& Buffalo should at least consider it because they are desperate to win now. Drafting a centre that won't okay for likely 3 years does nothing to help them win. & if you think they aren't desperate to start winning and making playoffs now, tell that to Eichel. Cause if it keeps going the way it's been going I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him demand a trade next offseason

Why not just draft Rossi or Lundell? and maybe sign a UFA for some years?

Like Skinner?

They resigned skinner, so he was not a FA from someone else.

I was more thinking of a Haula or so, Rossi and Lundell are big talents.

I agree It isn't that bad, but I wouldn't let Mantha go for that. Out of curiosity looking at it from Detroit's pov would you take it?

I agree 8OV is decent value but I see Mantha (full season) being that ~65-75 point power forward driving play for us. That 8OV could be anything so it doesn’t incentivize me enough to pull the trigger.

For a 3 way trade you could use trade Machine and add the link.

Like I said, a prospect doesn't help Buffalo win now. & with Eichel getting pretty frustrated with losing, Buffalo needs to do what they can to show him they're serious about winning or he's gonna want out

Only for this years draft (maybe next), I think Detroit at least highly considers it. Then they add 2 very high end prospects to their system with the #4 and #8 which could help their rebuild exponentially

I kind of agree with you, they seem to be under a lot of pressure to win now, since they are always in a perennial rebuild. I think trading 8OA and returning Denault would be a mistake for them. But I agree about all their pressures to win now from fan base and from Eichel. They need to somehow find the patience. The easiest comparison for me off the bat would be Yzerman, how he spent the first part of career on bad teams. Nearly getting traded for Lindross on draft day. Raising cup in year 14

We’re going to add a high-end prospect with 4OA regardless so this boils down to add one decent prospect at 8 or keep our already developed power forward. Your statement makes it sound like the deal we are getting 2 players in exchange for one. This reminds me a perfect example of that Family Guy boat meme.

A power forward that won't be around when the team is anywhere near competing for a playoff spot and won't get this high of a return when they do decide to move him. Mantha isn't anything special. He didn't develop into the guy he was supposed to be. This is a deep draft. Could easily get Perfetti at #4 and Drysdale at #8 and those are 2 elite prospects, not just "decent" as you say. You gotta take into account the strength of the draft. Normally I'd agree with you, but this year might be the exception

I’m not sure what you mean by not developed into the player he was suppose to be. Mantha was drafted 20OV, we aren’t talking about a top 3-5 pick here. He won CHL player of the year D+1 so maybe your basing that statement on hindsight? Bigger guys take longer to get adjusted into his body and I’m not going to get into stats as I’ve posted them at least a dozen times in the past 24 hours but 60pt+ power forwards don’t grow on trees. His injuries are completely overblown (another thing I’ve posted a few times). Muzzin slew foot body slam (broken rib - nothing permanent), Nemeth fight (broke finger on helmet - nothing permanent), and lastly Witkowski cross checking his hand (broken finger - nothing permanent). Mantha is about to be 26 and I think we can get another 5-6 good year out of him and he’d be a great mentor to our upcoming youth if he decides to sign long-term and if he doesn’t then I’m sure we’d explore trading him for futures.

When was the last time a defensemen didn’t go top 5? 2008. We’d have a better chance at Perfetti at 8 then Drysdale. I’d wager both are gone by 8. Let’s not forget these guys are prospect and risk is attached but this deal doesn’t account for that risk Detroit is taking on.

I'm with you man. I like Danault but not at this cost. If 2-way center is what they're after then draft Lundell. He honestly kind of seems like a sure bet for me to be a a solid NHL center. I think he'll be a very solid 2C in the future. Would be a perfect compliment to Eichel. If more skill is what they desire, draft Rossi. More of a risk but his potential is insane. Something Danault could never touch. IMO draft one of the 2, find a stopgap for 1-2 years and then you have Eichel, Cozens, Rossi/Lundell as your top 3 centers. That's a pretty good combination.

And now back to threadstarter. I understand that Eichel is getting frustrated. However, it would be very careless to make a trade just because Eichel is getting frustrated. You need to do what's best for the team and not what your superstar wants. Danault does not make this team a contender. It might get you a wild card entry to the playoffs...but not a contender.