how is the Adam fox trade an A lol

He wasn't gonna sign here and we got our top RW and top LD for him, another player who wasn't gonna sign here and Dougie who was potentially a dressing room problem. Just rumour though. So it was essentially Dougie and one year of Ferland for Lindholm and Hanifin

Adam "Diva" Fox >?

How’s the Frolik trade an F, he wanted to be traded for a year and a half and Mangiapane surpasses him on the depth chart.

Hamonic trade was a clear loss for the Flames

If Bruins pick Brazal instead of Senyshyn is it still an A+? Lol and cry at the same time.

Interesting take on the Neal for lucic. I think that worked out as a best case scenerio for both clubs. I’ve really liked Neal since arriving brought pp to an exciting level. The third rounder tho I don’t hold it against the flames or oilers but that was lost thanks to the leagues stupidity. Hate to say it but good on the flames for cashing in on it. Kinda sickening how often oilers get robbed of picks because of stupidity from the league.

Evaluating the trades based on which player the other team picked isn't the best idea. Think about how much value this player had; not the selections with those picks.

We traded the pick MIN took to select Kaprizov; doesn't mean we traded Kaprizov.

Fox wasn't gonna sign in Calgary and didn't sign in Carolina. He's almost a non factor in this trade

Those are just awful trades. You can't sit there and say we picked Dube with the pick so its a win. Giving up:

3rd for Bollig
2nd for Elliott
3rd/5th for Stone
2nd for Lazar
3rd+ for Smith
1st/2nd/2nd for Hamonic
4th for Fantenberg
4th for Forbort
3rd for Gustafsson
1st/2nd/2nd for Hamilton

Thats a lot of picks and only useful player out of the whole list was Hamilton. Smith was garbage, Elliott was trash etc etc...
Thats 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th = Two 1st, Six 2nds, Four 3rds, Two 4th, One 5th.

Picks that came in
2nd/3rd for Glencross
2nd for Baertchi
2nd/4th for Hudler
2nd+ for Russell
6ht for Jones
4th for Hamonic
3rd for Lucic
4th for Frolik

All junk...Adding up to Four 2nds, Two 3rds, Three 4th, One 6th...

Net loss: Two 1st, Two 2nds, Two 3rds...4ths/5ths/6ths are just a wash...

For a badly constructed team that is just awful. Thats a fail grade. I don't know how a GM still keeps his job after that.

he really isn't. You find out where he was going to sign (NYR) and you trade him there. He still had a year of college so it was stay in College for another year and wait or ask the Rangers to give up something decent for him.

Stop making excuses for bad trades.

How is it a bad trade?

He bought the hype on Hanifan. He has had to play top 4 but most nights he looks like a 3rd pair guy.
Lindholm is good (can excuse the Houdini act for these playoffs since its a joke of a playoffs anyways).

Hamilton is a stud top pair DMan
Fox is already a top 4 Dman and only moving up
Ferland walked away from them so meh.

Giving up Fox in that trade was stupid. He shouldve been traded on his own to NYR.

They have up a rental and a player who never even signed with the other team for Hanifin (who has potential) & Lindholm who is a bonafied top 6 F.

Considering that they could easily not have a single piece of what they gave up had they not traded them, I think they did more than fine.

Also, what more could they have gotten from NYR than Carolina did? And we can only assume that this deal wouldn't have gone through had Fox not been included

Your analysis is also off with the bruins

Lauzon is a Full Time NHLer now, playing excellent defensive hockey (still a 3rd pair guy, but young)
Senyshyn has played well in his 4/5 NHL games and could crack the roster soon. He has looked better in the NHL than the AHL
JFK is also a solid defensive forward who looked good when he played in Boston, but he wanted time to develop in Sweden.

Because even if Frolik wanted to be traded we got absolutely nothing in return. D at best
Currently the Hamonic trade is a win-win IMO. If he leaves in FA and Dobson develops into a star or the others become NHLers then it will be a clear loss. Not ready to call it a clear loss yet all though it is setting up to be

If they took Barzal instead of Senyshyn it'd be like a C

I know but it is still a major factor in who won the trade. I know that this thread isn't totally about that but I did take who win into consideration

Being a GM isn't all about trades. Huge part but not all about trades. Drafting has been terrific with a few exceptions (more of an organization thing however), terrific RFA deals, bad UFA deals and I'd say about a 70/30 success rate on trades.
Elliott was good when he was here, Stone has been very useful, Smith had a terrific season, Hamonic has been very good, Gustafsson has been good, Hamilton was great

Was not the point. But thanks for trying. 🙄

Frolik was always going to be a cap-dump, you weren't going to get anything noteworthy for him. Anyway, a 4th is nothing to sneeze at, it's a very early 4th, same round that Gaudreau was picked.

I still think the Hamonic deal was a loss from the second the deal was made. Treliving fell in love with the person and overpaid. Year 2 was the only solid season you got from Hamonic, 1 and 3 were not good. The biggest failure was not securing any protection on the 1st round pick, that pick had a chance to be #1 overall. Not sure about you, but I'd rather have Dobson than Pelletier

That Kulak trade Tre was lucky to get anything so I wouldn't say it was horrible.

He clearly wasn't going to pay Kulak what the arbitrator was going to award him.

The one thing with Treliving is that he has been really solid at negotiating with RFAs and saving cap room. Its just unfortunate he then turns around and hands out a deal to brouwer or neal that screws them over the next 6 years.

Hall could be that next contract unfortunately.

Okay, wasn't aware of those details. I still think it's an A+ as they will likely peak at 3rd line or 3rd pair.

Then what was the point

I still think you have to see what happens with all the prospects before anything definitive can be said.

I think Hall will be. His UFA skills are flat out awful. I'd have rather kept Kulak on the roster, then give him away though. I know we didn't have room but we could have maneuvered that in other ways.