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Created by: TheDuminator

Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 5, 2020

Published: Sep. 5, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I am not sure why we are targeting a Center in Larky... I would go 100% on Montha with this same package...

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Caufield, Cole		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

Larkin, Dylan

DET

Additional Details:

They are really high on Caufield... and Detroit 4OA would be a Dynamic Center like: Lundell, Perfetti or Rossi

Buyouts

Steve Mason: $1,366,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)

Buried

Keith Kinkaid: $675,000 ($1,750,000)
Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$77,776,309	$0	$3,525,000	$3,723,691

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Larkin, Dylan $6,100,000$6,100,000 C UFA - 4	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) C UFA - 3
Tatar, Tomas $4,800,000$4,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Danault, Phillip $3,083,333$3,083,333 C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $2,600,000$2,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi $2,400,000$2,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Evans, Jake $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) C UFA - 1	Weal, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 2
		Belzile, Alex $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 7	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 7
Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 LD RFA - 3	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Allen, Jake $4,350,000$4,350,000 G UFA - 2
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Mete, Victor $748,333$748,333 LD/RD UFA - 1
	Juulsen, Noah $863,333$863,333 ($175,000$175K) RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Weise, Dale $2,350,000$2,350,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
		Hudon, Charles $800,000$800,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
		Ouellet, Xavier $700,000$700,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
		Folin, Christian $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 1
		Lindgren, Charlie $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 2

Sep. 5, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.

deys3232

Hockee

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Try giving up your 2020 1st instead of Poehling

Sep. 5, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.

Claesson4Norris

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Gotta add more. At least this year's 1st.

Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:01 p.m.

Drw4209

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Not close to getting Detroit to trade Larkin. He's their 1C, about to be named captain, local kid and fan favorite. It would take a fairly substantial overpay for Wings to move him, this offer isn't even fair value

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Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.

DiehardRedWingsFan58

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Any deal for Larkin starts with your 2020 1st round pick #16 overall and then some, And then add accordingly. Weren't trading Mantha to you. So we sure aren't trading hometown kid and our future Captain to you either.

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Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.

TheDuminator

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Quoting: Drw4209

I know that's why I was surprised... Value wise Yes it is fair: Domi makes +/- 10pts less than Larky... YES Larky is more valueable.. but just Caufield Value should close the gap... + Poehling C-Depth
Think of Pacioretty Trade: Tatar (Domi), Suzuki (Caufield) + 2nd (Poehling)

Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.

TheDuminator

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Quoting: Drw4209

I would go for Mantha instead of the call was for Larky!!!

Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.

Drw4209

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Quoting: DomCholette

I would go for Mantha instead of the call was for Larky!!!

Neither is going to be moved, Mantha likely going to sign a long term deal in next couple months

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Sep. 5, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.

redwingsfan04

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The value really doesn’t matter since there is no chance Detroit trades away Larkin

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Sep. 5, 2020 at 5:43 p.m.

buffbry

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Wings pass, we aren't trading Larkin regardless

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Sep. 5, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.

#10

BorisBagel66

Boris Bagel

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Habs pass overpayment

Sep. 5, 2020 at 8:24 p.m.

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mikearky

arky

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Larkin Mantha, Bertuzzi, Zadina,Hronek and Sieder are the building blocks.

Problem in trading Larkin is he is face of the team and the only true center with any Upside and NHL ready. He is clearly better than Domi, Poehling has shown nothing this past year and Caufield is a great piece but no center means he is not as good.

The problem with any trade between Wings and Habs is they are division rivals. Those trades need to be over payments. Second all the Mantha trades help Habs and are linear trades for Wings. They lose a winger and get a center, where Habs have too many centers and need wingers. It is a win for Habs as they get a winger with upside and deal an extra center. Wings get a center and lose a winger, which they also need. It just makes no sense to close one hole and open another and help a division rival to boot.

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