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Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 24, 2020
Published: Sep. 24, 2020
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So there are three big Flames rumors. I just wanted to see if they could possibly work.
First one is Pietrangelo (LeBrun). I have seen people sign him with the Flames from 8m to 9.5m. I have him signed at 8.5m with a NTC/NMC clause in some form to bring down the AUV. Realistically, I think its a trade for the rights and sign for 8 years to help bring the AUV down even more. There is some debate if that allowed right now under the CBA. LeBrun says it is but I don't know If it is, I can see Tre sending a third to make it happen.

Markstrom is supposedly tight with Lindholm (Friedman). Do they want to play on the same team? Markstrom apparently is wanting 6x6 according to some Van fans. So some of them they don't feel he will sign for less. I would also add in a NTC/NMC in some form, as that sounds like a stumbling block with Van on the negotiations. Doing so will help bring down his ask and AUV. If he really wants to play with a buddy, he may need to take a bit less for it to happen.

Hall (Flames Fans) I will say right now, signing Hall scares me as he is often hurt. I don't think you can get him for less than 7.5-8 a year. I went at 6.75 as other than the one year with NJ his production is just below Point and Tkachuk so that's were I signed him.

Ryan and Rittich became cap casualties in the example. I sent Ryan to Ottawa as I could see him being a mentor to the younger players and helping with their development. I put a third put it could be a fourth or any team that would take him.

Rittich I sent to Dallas as I think after the playoffs that Khudobin may be to much for Dallas to keep with their RFA signings. This trade could also be to another team looking for a decent 1b option, and the pick does not need to be a third.

With Johnny rumored to wanting to go East, I tried to look at a different trade partner than Philly (its been done over and over). I thought the NYR made the most sense for the Flames but the Rangers are pretty well set at LW. However, players get hurt and Johnny could be a good deadline trade chip to continue the rebuild. I traded Johnny for what I did to get to the Calgary cap to work. I don't think the full value is there but if your adding the three big UFA's and need the cap space, it could change. If the values are off, I am open to suggestions to balance them out.

Looking to the expansion draft, I think Calgary would try to get Lucic to waive for Seattle. He would have a larger role, be closer to home if that's a draw (its not for some players) but Calgary would need to add a pick for that to happen and if the Calgary team performed, Calgary could make it very strong pick. The consensus for the expansion is Bennett, but lots can happen between now and then.

As for the RFA signings, I went with the qualifying offers as the cap space was needed, except for Mangiapane. I think he gets a bridge deal like Bennett did but with a slight bump as he has better numbers than Sam.

I am not sure I have the signing values there, but players have been know to take less to sign with teams. As I said these are just rumors and I am trying to see if it would work. At the end of the Day, I could see Calgary not signing Hall but going hard for Markstom and Pietrangelo. If that were the case, I would change the Rangers trade to Strome, Georgiev, plus for Johnny. That's if the Rangers were interested in Johnny.

Calgary is also right tight to the cap with this structure and Flames fans know what happens when you that tight and players get hurt.

Things would need to 100% perfect for this to happen but that's not how the real world works, but one can dream.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,750,000
2$854,000
1$872,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$5,500,000
7$8,500,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
7$6,750,000
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1.
CGY
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
2.
CGY
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (DAL)
3.
CGY
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
  3. Howden, Brett
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (NYR)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$74,285,165$0$1,232,500$7,214,835
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
C, LW
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C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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UFA - 2
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 6
$5,500,000$5,500,000
G
UFA - 6
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 4
$8,500,000$8,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
RFA - 1
$872,000$872,000
G
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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hall is gonna need WAYYYYY more than only 6.7m
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:03 p.m.
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I dont think Rangers would be interested in Gaudreau. Philly probably woudl
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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Where is the 1st+ for Frederick Andersen trade every TML ACGM has in it???
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.
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LeBruns a joke he mentioned this with Toronto, Montreal and now Calgary. Toronto is the only likely destination i see with Pietrangelo. Markstrom reportedly wants 6x6 so he's not taking 6x5.5 in Calgary and no freaking way is Hall signing that cheaply.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
hall is gonna need WAYYYYY more than only 6.7m


Did you read the explanation? I already said I though he would get more. I gave my reasoning why I signed him where I did.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Old_Flames_Fan
Did you read the explanation? I already said I though he would get more. I gave my reasoning why I signed him where I did.


no one is gonna read all that
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
no one is gonna read all that

I mean I read it. If you’re gonna comment read his post then form your comment
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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I mean I read it. If you’re gonna comment read his post then form your comment


Agreed 100%. Minus the stuff i removed of course.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Agreed 100%. Minus the stuff i removed of course.


Peep recent sharks post please, has n word about Kane
Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:32 p.m.
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Peep recent sharks post please, has n word about Kane


Already deleted and permabanned.
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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Already deleted amd permabanned.


Ty
Sep. 24, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.
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LeBruns a joke he mentioned this with Toronto, Montreal and now Calgary. Toronto is the only likely destination i see with Pietrangelo. Markstrom reportedly wants 6x6 so he's not taking 6x5.5 in Calgary and no freaking way is Hall signing that cheaply.


Pretty sure LeBrun said Vegas, Toronto and Calgary as good landing spots. I could be wrong but probably not. Also, you should have read the explanation before you commented as I explained why I chose the values and that I didn't think Hall would sign for what I proposed. In the future you should read the team explanation so you can make an informed comment.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Old_Flames_Fan
Pretty sure LeBrun said Vegas, Toronto and Calgary as good landing spots. I could be wrong but probably not. Also, you should have read the explanation before you commented as I explained why I chose the values and that I didn't think Hall would sign for what I proposed. In the future you should read the team explanation so you can make an informed comment.


I read your your team explanation, Bottom line in reality Pietrangelo will cost you $9 million, Markstrom $6 million and Hall $8 million all 3 are pipedreams and Calgary doesn't have the cap space to fit nearly $23 million of salary onto their roster. Funny how you think all 3 would sign in Calgary for cheaper then what they can get on the open market.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 6:54 p.m.
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I read your your team explanation, Bottom line in reality Pietrangelo will cost you $9 million, Markstrom $6 million and Hall $8 million all 3 are pipedreams and Calgary doesn't have the cap space to fit nearly $23 million of salary onto their roster. Funny how you think all 3 would sign in Calgary for cheaper then what they can get on the open market.


I never said all three would sign. I said they were all rumors. I also said Hall was scary to sign and I wouldn't sign him for more than what I put him at. I also put what it would probably take to sign Hall in the explanation. You say you read the explanation if so, why are you still beating the same drum?

PIetrangelo asks from St Louis is apparently is 8x8, the issue is bonuses and buyout protection at the end of the deal (What Doughty got). This is something St Louis doesn't want to give. Its also believed that St Louis and Pietrangelo are going to take another run at a deal before free agency opens. Bottom line, he may get 8, 9 or 10 a year. You or I don't know until its done. There are also examples of players taking less money to allow a team to be competitive (Crosby, yes a home town discount) or play on certain teams (Ryan in Calgary he was offered more elsewhere). Its possible he signs in Calgary, very unlikely but possible. I also don't see him signing for a rebuilding team unless he is content to just cash in, which if that's the case do you really want that type of player? I think he is likely going to a team that he can get paid market value or close to, and a contender (St Louis, Vegas) or a team close to a solid run (Calgary, Vancouver, Philly, etc) if cap space allows it.

As for Markstrom, the goalie market is flooded this season, so there are lots of options and prices may change. I think Calgary looks for an upgrade, it may or may not be Markstrom. Lehner is apparently asking 5x5, so Markstrom may not get 6x6. Both are very close stat wise, with Lehner being a year younger, so I am unsure Markstrom gets 6 m a year if Lehner signs for 5. First guy to sign sets the market.
Not everyone's driving motivator is money. Its a factor but not the sole driver. Signing a UFA is a better option as Calgary does not give up any futures rather than, say trading for Kuemper or Murray.

As for it being a pipedream, have teams ever shed cap to make signings happen? Yes. Could Calgary? Yes. Is it it possible to sign all three? Yes. Will it be easy? No.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 8:18 p.m.
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I dont think Rangers would be interested in Gaudreau. Philly probably woudl


Especially for this package. This package includes two of the Rangers' 4 centres from 2019-2020, Chytil and Howden. Strome is RFA. 2C is a top 2 need for the Rangers along with a top 4 LHD; trading away the prospect we hope to step into a 2C role and another young player that hopefully will improve instead of being this bad forever at C to get a LW when, with Lafreniere, the Rangers will have 3 top line caliber RWs already (Panarin, Lafreniere, and Kreider) just doesn't make sense.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 9:20 p.m.
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Especially for this package. This package includes two of the Rangers' 4 centres from 2019-2020, Chytil and Howden. Strome is RFA. 2C is a top 2 need for the Rangers along with a top 4 LHD; trading away the prospect we hope to step into a 2C role and another young player that hopefully will improve instead of being this bad forever at C to get a LW when, with Lafreniere, the Rangers will have 3 top line caliber RWs already (Panarin, Lafreniere, and Kreider) just doesn't make sense.


I had that same thought when I put the deal together. I picked those players simply to get the Cap to work for Calgary. I was trying something different by trading with the Rangers as Philly deal have been beaten to death.
 
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