Ducks pass, they arent moving 6 OA

And you KNOW this, how???

Why would they? Dumba doesnt make them any closer to a playoff team than Manson does, and downgrading the pick when the need quality prospects in the system makes no sense

Lets say the Ducks do this. We need another trade with Manson since we don't need him, Leafs jump to mind immediately. Possibly a deal revolving around 15 OA?

Ducks pass. I don’t think it would be wise trading 6Oa

Or the ducks cut out the middle man and do that themselves

I don't deny that's the simple solution, but lets use imagination for a bit.

Answer to both your questions: First five are LaFreniere - Byfield - Stutzle - Drysdale - Raymond. Ducks trade; Minnesota guarantees themselves of Lundell. (Of course, EVERYBODY is still available at that slot, including Rossi [whom the majority of people love], Perfetti, Holtz and Sanderson.)

I'm not so sure Anaheim is going to cling to #6 if the first five go as I said above. Who are they going to pick there? Let's assume that there's a small qualitative difference between the guy at #6 (let's call him A) and the guy at #9 (let's call him B). Which would you rather have: A plus two years of Manson, or B plus three years of Dumba, who is almost three years younger and a little more offensively accomplished?

I'd rather keep six and move Manson for another package without a doubt, if those 5 go we take Rossi, Perfetti or Holtz, if we did move six I would want a better return than whats here, this does not interest me whatsoever

By definition, one of those 3 will be available at #9 because the whole purpose of Minnesota trading up is to take Lundell. Moving Manson is unlikely to give us BOTH a 2020 first AND a replacement RD.

To maximize value of assets, keeping six and moving Manson for something like Liljegren and a second for example would return better value than this deal. then we would have 6, 27, 36, 44 and Liljegren, then we if want we can move 27 and a second to move up. replacing Manson isnt as important if we are rebuilding. This would be a massive mistake on ANAs behalf.

I disagree. Dumba plus #9 is worth more to me than Liljegren plus #6 plus #44. I put a higher value on Dumba than you do because I think that he's a proven (and immediate) value whereas neither Liljegren nor the #44 is. I think that a very important but highly overlooked element of a successful rebuild is better results each succeeding year. Conversely, I'm NOT a big believer in the "let's throw this year away because we won't be a contender this season" theory, which going with a right side of Gudbranson, Liljegren and whoever else we can cobble together would pretty much guarantee.

If we move six it would be better used in going after a Nylander type player, Why would we downgrade the quality of prospect we get, when what we need is quality. Yes one of Rossi, Holtz, Perfetti would be there but why would we not take the one we want instead of the one we get.

Dumba doesnt help this team moving forward as much as Liljegren and 44, I fully believe that and 6 holds much more value than Dumba. acquiring Dumba would be like putting duct tape on a hole of a sinking boat, it'll help for a while, but still sink in the long run, Manson should be moved for futures, not with a extremely valuable future for a win now piece, yes Dumba isnt old by any means but the Ducks would be better off acquiring younger pieces

Your entire argument is premised on the false theory that there is a significant difference between #6 and #9. There isn't. Who among Holtz, Lundell, Perfetti and Rossi turns out the best is a crapshoot.

"Dumba doesn't help this team moving forward as much as Liljegren and #44"? Liljegren and the #44 won't help this season and may not help in 2021-2022, either, while Dumba is an upgrade on Manson both years. Plus we then get a third year of Dumba, who will be only 29 at the end of that season.

If people attached the word "speculative" to the word "futures," more people would have a better idea of their true value.

You're implying I assume that its a guarantee that Lily and 44 turn out to be impact players, which I dont, but thier current value, along with 6 could be better spent than whats here if we did move them, for example I would much rather move Manson and 6 for Nylander and Liljegren. That package to me is more valuable than Dumba and 9.

I stand by that quote, their value doesnt need to come from what they themselves bring, but we could utilize those assets and move up in the draft. Yes Dumba is an upgrade on Manson, but not significant enough to sway the Ducks too far from what they currently are.

Yes the draft difference between 6 & 9 to ANA isnt alot, but if we move 6 it could be better spent elsewhere, and Manson could be better moved elsewhere as well.

Dumba should be one of the last player ANA looks at acquiring, especially at this cost, where we could move the above assets for a much more impactful package

I'm totally with you especially if Drysdale is gone at 6. Let's say the first 5 are Laf-Byfield-Stutzle-Perfetti-Drysdale. That leaves Rossi, Holtz, Raymond, remaining which in a worst case scenario go 6,7,8. That leaves Sanderson, Askarov, Lundell, Quinn, and Jarvis still on the board. Personally, I think someone will reach for Sanderson before 9 and wouldn't shock me if one team is high on Lundell. At worst, I'd think we take Sanderson at 9, at best we get one of Rossi/Holtz/Raymond, who we easily might take at 6. IF we are able to get three years of Dumba (who's better than manson) vs two years of Manson and still get one of Raymond/Holtz/Rossi at 9 I'd think this is a steal for us, while Minny guarantees they get one of the top F prospects. It all depends on how the draft shakes out.

The only case I'd make against this trade is that we could just sign Barrie/Shattenkirk/Vatanen instead of trading for Dumba and get similar value, if we're looking for an offensive RHD. I'd rather do the trading back thing with Winnipeg and swing for Laine, but who knows if they'd be interested in that as part of the package. Most likely thing is we keep the pick and hopefully sign a RHD on a short term prove it deal. In theory, I don't mind this trade and have no issue with trading back at the right price/fit.

Unless MN is going to flip Manson to Tor (off the top of my head) for something then this makes doesn't make much sense for MN. Moving up 3 spots would be nice, but really doesn't do much for me. I'm fine with anyone left at 9 going to MN. The guy MN needs (Byfield) is going in the top-3.

I don't see why ANA does the trade either. Flip Manson for something else they need then sign a Barrie as a UFA seems like a better plan from their end. A Manson for Risto trade could be an idea to play around with.