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Created by: TheOtherAuston

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 25, 2020

Published: Sep. 25, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I don't really have a great feel for what Orlov is worth, and I'm sure Washington is high on vrana but I think Marner would be the guy to get OVI past Gretzky. Be constructive not a crybaby

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya	4	$2,000,000
Hawryluk, Jayce	2	$1,150,000
Cernak, Erik	5	$3,750,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Soucy, Carson		3	$2,825,000

Offer Sheets

Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years

PLAYER	AAV	COMPENSATION
Hawryluk, Jayce	$1,150,000	No Compensation

Trades

TOR

Leason, Brett
Orlov, Dmitry
Vrána, Jakub
2020 3rd round pick (ARI)

WSH

Holl, Justin ($750,000 retained)
Marner, Mitchell
2020 2nd round pick (TOR)

TOR

Järnkrok, Calle

NSH

Johnsson, Andreas
2020 5th round pick (VGK)

TOR

Cernak, Erik [RFA Rights]
2021 5th round pick (TBL)

TBL

Liljegren, Timothy
2021 2nd round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Dermott, agrees to a 1 year QO

TOR

To be the #1 center for the team in the movie goon

ANA

Engvall, Pierre

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Justin Holl: $750,000 (37.5%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$76,027,617	$0	$82,500	$5,472,383

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Vrána, Jakub $3,350,000$3,350,000 LW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Mikheyev, Ilya $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Barabanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Hawryluk, Jayce $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Järnkrok, Calle $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 2	Korshkov, Yegor $925,000$925,000 RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Orlov, Dmitry $1,275,000$1,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Cernak, Erik $3,750,000$3,750,000 RD UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Soucy, Carson $2,825,000$2,825,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2
Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon $766,667$766,667 C RFA - 3
Leason, Brett $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) RW RFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.		Tavares, J.		Hyman, Z.
	Rielly, M.		Nylander, W.

Power Play 2
Robertson, N.		Kerfoot, A.		Vrána, J.
	Lehtonen, M.		Mikheyev, I.

Penalty Kill 1
	Hyman, Z.	Barabanov, A.
	Muzzin, J.	Cernak, E.

Penalty Kill 2
	Mikheyev, I.	Järnkrok, C.
	Rielly, M.	Orlov, D.

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:14 p.m.

#26

OlegP

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Quoting: leafs101

my requirement for Marner trade:

- top 4 RD
- replacement top 6 winger
- mid first / higher end prospect
- 2nd / mid tier prospect

That gets the convo going for me. Otherwise I'd prefer to keep Marner

lol for an overpaid winger. No wants to touch the marner deal. Thats not seeing the forest for the trees. The Cap is a thing. Marner deal is cancer in a flat cap world. Answer me this do you think the Carey price deal is good? Because they are both overpaid and very hard to move

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.

#27

TheOtherAuston

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Quoting: OlegP

Marner is overpaid but it's not Carey Price contract bad. Marner should be making 9.5 - 9.75 price on the other hand is probably around 6.5 to 7.5 big difference.

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:17 p.m.

#28

Eli

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

Marner is overpaid but it's not Carey Price contract bad. Marner should be making 9.5 - 9.75 price on the other hand is probably around 6.5 to 7.5 big difference.

Vrana is underpaid. Should be making 6M. Under a flat cap, his trade value is really, really, really high.

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

#29

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Quoting: OlegP

for a 23 year old Carey Price it'd be fine. Marner is like 1.5M overpaid - I'll admit, he should be making Rantanen money - but that's not THAT big of a deal

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

#30

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

Marner is overpaid but it's not Carey Price contract bad. Marner should be making 9.5 - 9.75 price on the other hand is probably around 6.5 to 7.5 big difference.

Also for a 23 year old Price it might not be so bad. 32 year old Price? Of course not

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:19 p.m.

#31

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

Marner is overpaid but it's not Carey Price contract bad. Marner should be making 9.5 - 9.75 price on the other hand is probably around 6.5 to 7.5 big difference.

Fair point. But to ignore the advantage to dumping Marner is ignorance. Nylander contract is great, you can't move Tavares and you won't move Matthews.

Trading Marner for help would be a God send for the Leafs and every team knows this thus they have no leverage and will be owned in any Marner trade.

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.

#32

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Quoting: Eli

Vrana is underpaid. Should be making 6M. Under a flat cap, his trade value is really, really, really high.

Agreed. He's worth far more than maybe an even better player, solely because he's such a good asset

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.

#33

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Quoting: OlegP

But acting like a 90 point player is a cap dump is also ignorance....

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:23 p.m.

#34

Eli

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Quoting: leafs101

for a 23 year old Carey Price it'd be fine. Marner is like 1.5M overpaid - I'll admit, he should be making Rantanen money - but that's not THAT big of a deal

True. Agreed. Not an issue if Tor can build a team around him.

OP's main point is that they can't, and they should try to trade for underpaid guys like Vrana. The trouble is, even at last Spring's deadline, teams like Tampa set the trade market high on guys who produce well at a low cap hit. Vrana's on ice value is still slightly less than Marner's and Vrana's a year older, but under a flat cap, since Marner makes over three times as much money as Vrana, Toronto would have to add a lot to get Washington seriously interested.

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:25 p.m.

#35

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Quoting: Eli

True. Agreed. Not an issue if Tor can build a team around him.

OP's main point is that they can't, and they should try to trade for underpaid guys like Vrana. The trouble is, even at last Spring's salary cap, teams like Tampa set the trade market high on guys who produce well at a low cap hit. Vrana's on ice value is still slightly less than Marner's and Vrana's a couple years older, but under a flat cap, since Marner makes over three times as much money as Vrana, Toronto would have to add a lot to get Washington seriously interested.

Barclay Goodrow getting a 1st round pick solely because hes making less than a million a year on 2 year deal. That's quite the markup for cap flexibility.

Vrana > Marner because of cap comforts

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:31 p.m.

#36

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

Lol absolute garbage, well that takes your credibility away right there. Research before making baseless claims, once you've done that then come talk to me. And I think you already know the rest of the roster is well improved 3c in a 4c spot, top 4 d man in a bottom six role two new top 4 RHD and a top 6 winger at a third of the price. Get real bud.

Lol. Sorry, I didn't know you were the kid with all the answers. I'll make sure to double check with you the next time a team needs to be ruined. 👌🏻

Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:32 p.m.

#37

Eli

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

Lol. Sorry, I didn't know you were the kid with all the answers. I'll make sure to double check with you the next time a team needs to be ruined. 👌🏻

Is the goal to preserve the coincidence of the Leafs drafting a decent forward three years in a row, or to win a couple playoff series, though?

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Sep. 26, 2020 at 2:37 a.m.

#38

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The thing with the marner trades is that he’s young, Would need a young centre piece. Not orlov, Ellis etc. It would have to be something around ekblad, Jones, Dobson.

Sep. 26, 2020 at 7:26 a.m.

#39

Eli

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Quoting: CeciGOAT

The thing with the marner trades is that he’s young, Would need a young centre piece. Not orlov, Ellis etc. It would have to be something around ekblad, Jones, Dobson.

I like that you thought Orlov was the centerpiece here. I think that's a good illustration of how much of an overpay it is for the Caps. Google "Jakub Vrana" sometime, though. He's decent.

As a Caps fan I'm fine with a 3rd for Holl around 50% retention, and I'm fine with Leason for a 2nd.

Vrana for Marner is fine if the cap balances, but WSH doesn't have any bad contracts to balance it out.

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