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Holtz or Laine

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Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 26, 2020
Published: Sep. 26, 2020
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If Laine gets traded to NJ, we might have to give up the 7th pick. Would you rather have Holtz or Laine
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  1. McLeod, Michael
  2. Severson, Damon
  3. 2020 1st round pick (NJD)
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:19 a.m.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:21 a.m.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
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That's still not enough for Laine, it will be for a 2c and a fringe RHD number 4 dman and probably some picks. Not saying that they couldn't use Severson but McLeod probably doesn't move the needle
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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Laine doesn't fill NJD's biggest hole. Top-4 dmen are their biggest hole.

NJD should draft Drysdale or Sanderson if they are there at #7.

They can resign Palmieiri and/or Gusev....draft guys like Perreault, Peterka, etc at picks #18 and #20...and sign a UFA winger.

But for WPG deals - I still will add that McLeod for Stanley still makes sense to me.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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Laine. I love Holtz and he would be my pick at 7 but he's still an unknown, Laine is already a star.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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Laine doesn't fill NJD's biggest hole. Top-4 dmen are their biggest hole.

NJD should draft Drysdale or Sanderson if they are there at #7.


doesn't fill their biggest hole?!? this team has been bottom 5 in goal scoring 7 of the last 8 years. 0 goal scorers on the wing besides 30 year old Palmieri who's good for like 25 a year...
Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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That's still not enough for Laine, it will be for a 2c and a fringe RHD number 4 dman and probably some picks. Not saying that they couldn't use Severson but McLeod probably doesn't move the needle


swap Zacha in for Mcleod
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:22 a.m.
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swap Zacha in for Mcleod


Jets don't need a 3C.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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Jets don't need a 3C.


you're not getting a 2C and a top 4D in the same deal
Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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doesn't fill their biggest hole?!? this team has been bottom 5 in goal scoring 7 of the last 8 years. 0 goal scorers on the wing besides 30 year old Palmieri who's good for like 25 a year...


NJD got the fewest odd-man rushes in the league. It is a lack of opportunities that leads to low scoring. Not bad shooting.

They don't need a sniper as much as they need a solid backline. And without Greene, Vatanen...there are some big holes back there.

Their forward corps was build for transition (speed + possession). Transition all starts somewhere. If they can never get the puck out of their own zone....cannot get the puck to their forwards.

Finding better d-man will help solve scoring issue.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
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NJD got the fewest odd-man rushes in the league. It is a lack of opportunities that leads to low scoring. Not bad shooting.

They don't need a sniper as much as they need a solid backline. And without Greene, Vatanen...there are some big holes back there.

Their forward corps was build for transition (speed + possession). Transition all starts somewhere. If they can never get the puck out of their own zone....cannot get the puck to their forwards.

Finding better d-man will help solve scoring issue.


you make a fair point, I'm not saying the defence isn't an issue. it is terrible, but you can not try and convince me that this ream doesn't need a high end shooter / goal scorer.

Smith is coming up next year, they're likely getting a high end defenceman in the 2021 draft, sign a decent free agent and all of a sudden the defence isn't half bad. they have virtually no goal scorers in the system, nothing coming up through the pipelines beside Foote who is likely going to be a 2nd/3rd line guy.

playing a transition game is cool but you need someone to make things happen once you get into the offensive zone.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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swap Zacha in for Mcleod


I don't think zacha is established enough as a two C but that's just my opinion, I think he will get there for sure but I don't think he's a good 2C on a team trying to contend
Sep. 26, 2020 at 11:59 a.m.
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NJD got the fewest odd-man rushes in the league. It is a lack of opportunities that leads to low scoring. Not bad shooting.

They don't need a sniper as much as they need a solid backline. And without Greene, Vatanen...there are some big holes back there.

Their forward corps was build for transition (speed + possession). Transition all starts somewhere. If they can never get the puck out of their own zone....cannot get the puck to their forwards.

Finding better d-man will help solve scoring issue.


Whats wrong with Severson then?
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.
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you make a fair point, I'm not saying the defence isn't an issue. it is terrible, but you can not try and convince me that this ream doesn't need a high end shooter / goal scorer.

Smith is coming up next year, they're likely getting a high end defenceman in the 2021 draft, sign a decent free agent and all of a sudden the defence isn't half bad. they have virtually no goal scorers in the system, nothing coming up through the pipelines beside Foote who is likely going to be a 2nd/3rd line guy.

playing a transition game is cool but you need someone to make things happen once you get into the offensive zone.


I think that d-man have longer development windows...should be a priority now. Finishers can be found. Wings especially are often available in trades/free agency.

And I am not ignoring the lack of goal scorers. I think they should resign Gusev and Palmieri. And use both #18 and #20 on guys like Quinn (if he falls), Perreault, Peterka, etc.

But if Drysdale or Sanderson is there at #7 (I prefer Sanderson, but fine with both) .... gotta take ‘em.

I also am supportive of overpaying for guy like Sergachev. And doing small ball trades like Mcleod for Stanley.

Build the defense!!
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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Whats wrong with Severson then?


Nothing. He was used out of place by Hines, who got fired mid-year and after that Severson had 26 points in 43 games. That’s his role.

Vatanen was hurt before they traded him, Mueller is mostly bad, Subban does little in his own end, Butcher did better than expected defensively. By the end they had Claesson, Mermis, patchwork in defense.

Severson and Butcher are the two worth keeping. But they need to add some better options in their own zone.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.
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Quoting: TheOtherAuston
That's still not enough for Laine, it will be for a 2c and a fringe RHD number 4 dman and probably some picks. Not saying that they couldn't use Severson but McLeod probably doesn't move the needle


What would you offer for Laine
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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Nothing. He was used out of place by Hines, who got fired mid-year and after that Severson had 26 points in 43 games. That’s his role.

Vatanen was hurt before they traded him, Mueller is mostly bad, Subban does little in his own end, Butcher did better than expected defensively. By the end they had Claesson, Mermis, patchwork in defense.

Severson and Butcher are the two worth keeping. But they need to add some better options in their own zone.


So you agree that Severson is an average defender than.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
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I think that d-man have longer development windows...should be a priority now. Finishers can be found. Wings especially are often available in trades/free agency.

And I am not ignoring the lack of goal scorers. I think they should resign Gusev and Palmieri. And use both #18 and #20 on guys like Quinn (if he falls), Perreault, Peterka, etc.

But if Drysdale or Sanderson is there at #7 (I prefer Sanderson, but fine with both) .... gotta take ‘em.

I also am supportive of overpaying for guy like Sergachev. And doing small ball trades like Mcleod for Stanley.

Build the defense!!


I wouldn't mind trading up to 5 for Drysdale
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
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What would you offer for Laine


From the leafs it doesn't work at all. And from the Devil's, I'll be honest I don't think they have the pieces they would be willing to part with to pull it off
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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you're not getting a 2C and a top 4D in the same deal


If they don't, Laine probably won't be traded.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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What would you offer for Laine


I could see it being Laine extends at 9 long term and a first for Severson Nico and a lower end winger prospect
Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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I could see it being Laine extends at 9 long term and a first for Severson Nico and a lower end winger prospect


I know the Jets need a top 4 d and a second line center but no chance Devils trade Nico
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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I know the Jets need a top 4 d and a second line center but no chance Devils trade Nico


Agree with this

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From the leafs it doesn't work at all. And from the Devil's, I'll be honest I don't think they have the pieces they would be willing to part with to pull it off


Also agree with this

Unless NJD can use their cap space somehow to land an adequate 2C, and flip him to WPG.

Gaudette, Stepan, Kerfoot...all not great options that route.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.
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I wouldn't mind trading up to 5 for Drysdale


terrible idea, there's a good chance he's there at 7 anyways. for the Devils the only players worth trading up for in this class would be Stutzle or Raymond imo.
 
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