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OS Mangiapane

Created by: Robl88
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 1, 2020
Published: Oct. 1, 2020
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Description
Ignore the trades below, I just wanted to talk about Mangiapane. Just how much do you guys value this guy? It doesn’t apply to the Leafs per se, but would the Flames be able to match anything offered in first round compensation range?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
3$3,000,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,000,000
2$800,000
2$1,700,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Gáborík, Marián
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
2.
CBJ
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Jones, Max
  2. Manson, Josh ($1,000,000 retained)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (ANA)
Retained Salary Transactions
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$75,153,250$0$0$6,346,750
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$1,050,000$1,050,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 1

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Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:10 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
Wow, that's a terrible offer you've made to Columbus. Pass.

EDIT: in an effort to be more constructive, I'll reiterate that Columbus has no desire to move Korpisalo in any deal that doesn't bring back a 2C. What's more, the recent word is that Columbus and Anderson's camp are hard at work on a multi-year deal. This trade would make us actively worse. I apologize for breaking forum etiquette the first time around.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.
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Let me ask you why would Columbus make that trade in your option?

From what I see is Columbus moving a goalie that we have no reason to move and Anderson for a 3rd line center in Kerfoot and a middle 6 wing in Johansson and getting a middle of the order 4th...
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:12 p.m.
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has potential to be worst team in history of nhl
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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Well Toronto definitely wont be offering him an OS, that's for sure. I dont really see how anyone can willingly offer him more than 3.5M, he still only produced at a ~40 point pace. Anything in the 1st compensation range is probably way too high of a risk (flames won't match this) or is a longer term deal (5+ years). Flames will probably match a 5 year deal.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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Let me ask you why would Columbus make that trade in your option?

From what I see is Columbus moving a goalie that we have no reason to move and Anderson for a 3rd line center in Kerfoot and a middle 6 wing in Johansson and getting a middle of the order 4th...


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Wow, that's a terrible offer you've made to Columbus. Pass.


I think you guys are missing the purpose of the thread
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
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has potential to be worst team in history of nhl


I double down on this, ive literally seen a peewee team that could dismantle this entire team, dubas stinks, city stinks, team stinks, you stink
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:23 p.m.
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I think you guys are missing the purpose of the thread


They are, and yah this thread isn’t about the Leafs, it’s just a general inquiry. People don’t read. He’s a fantastic player though, even at a cap hit at nearly twice what he’s rumoured to be signing for. He was one of their best players all year long, both from the eye-test and just about every advanced stat metric out there. You mention the lack of production, but keep in mind that’s mostly all 5v5 (he was a top even strength producer iirc). If you can get him at the cost of a 2nd, well to me that’s a no-brainer, he’s sure to produce more if given the opportunity imo. Just wanted to hear some different opinions.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I think you guys are missing the purpose of the thread


The purpose is about mangia. So why include the trade
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:28 p.m.
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They are, and yah this thread isn’t about the Leafs, it’s just a general inquiry. People don’t read. He’s a fantastic player though, even at a cap hit at nearly twice what he’s rumoured to be signing for. He was one of their best players all year long, both from the eye-test and just about every advanced stat metric out there. You mention the lack of production, but keep in mind that’s mostly all 5v5 (he was a top even strength producer iirc). If you can get him at the cost of a 2nd, well to me that’s a no-brainer, he’s sure to produce more if given the opportunity imo. Just wanted to hear some different opinions.


I watched him all year, I love Mange and wouldn't want to see him leave. Calgary actually needs more players like him and Dube, fast skaters that can battle for the puck relentlessly. I see Mangiapane as a Reilly Smith-esque in the making. He mostly just needs to work on his finish and he could easily be a 30 goal, 50-60 point player while next to Tkachuk.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.
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The purpose is about mangia. So why include the trade


I didn't make the thread so don't ask me why the trades are there but that doesn't change my point
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:31 p.m.
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Here we go again...

Nylander is NOT worth 6OA + Manson.
If you want 6OA and Manson you will need to give up Marner.
Players ranked at 6OA have a ton of potential.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I watched him all year, I love Mange and wouldn't want to see him leave. Calgary actually needs more players like him and Dube, fast skaters that can battle for the puck relentlessly. I see Mangiapane as a Reilly Smith-esque in the making. He mostly just needs to work on his finish and he could easily be a 30 goal, 50-60 point player while next to Tkachuk.


I completely agree.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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They are, and yah this thread isn’t about the Leafs, it’s just a general inquiry. People don’t read. He’s a fantastic player though, even at a cap hit at nearly twice what he’s rumoured to be signing for. He was one of their best players all year long, both from the eye-test and just about every advanced stat metric out there. You mention the lack of production, but keep in mind that’s mostly all 5v5 (he was a top even strength producer iirc). If you can get him at the cost of a 2nd, well to me that’s a no-brainer, he’s sure to produce more if given the opportunity imo. Just wanted to hear some different opinions.


Lol why be condescending? You just posted a trade and are mad people are discussing it? If you just wanted to talk about Mangia, then don't post trade
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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Lol why be condescending? You just posted a trade and are mad people are discussing it? If you just wanted to talk about Mangia, then don't post trade


I’m not mad at all lol. I’m ignoring the comments because I know I ****ed up. It was an old incomplete thread I clicked on to propose the question.
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:35 p.m.
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I’m not mad at all lol. I’m ignoring the comments because I know I ****ed up. It was an old incomplete thread I clicked on to propose the question.


That's a reasonable explanation. Thanks for clearing this up. smile
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:43 p.m.
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So you want to trade Johnsson and fill his spot with a comparable pkayer for more money?
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
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So you want to trade Johnsson and fill his spot with a comparable pkayer for more money?


Where are you getting that from? Read the description
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
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Where are you getting that from? Read the description


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Where are you getting that from?


The salary cap.... if you OS the bread eater you have to make room for him both on the roster and cap space. He would literally be a 4.2m Johnsson. Why would the leafs bother?
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:51 p.m.
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Where are you getting that from? Read the description


I read your description... as I always do on agm’s but thanks.

But to answer your more broad question, flames match anything under the 1st threshold.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:51 p.m.
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The salary cap.... if you OS the bread eater you have to make room for him both on the roster and cap space. He would literally be a 4.2m Johnsson. Why would the leafs bother?


Sorry man, this thread has nothing to do with the Leafs. Its about whether Mangiapane is a realistic OS target.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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I read your description... as I always do on agm’s but thanks.


So why do you keep bringing up Johnsson?
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:54 p.m.
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I read your description... as I always do on agm’s but thanks.

But to answer your more broad question, flames match anything under the 1st threshold.


Haha there we go
Oct. 1, 2020 at 7:54 p.m.
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So why do you keep bringing up Johnsson?


Because mangiapane is lW and so is Johnsson. Both are comparable, I think the difficulty we are having is the your issue of not understanding per se. it does not exclude the leafs.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:05 p.m.
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Because mangiapane is lW and so is Johnsson. Both are comparable, I think the difficulty we are having is the your issue of not understanding per se. it does not exclude the leafs.


Leafs are an extremely bad candidate to offer-sheet a forward. I’m aware. I didn’t exclude them outright because they are 1 of 30 other teams (of which there are many other bad candidates) that COULD do it. I was just hoping for general discussion, sorry for the confusion.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:07 p.m.
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Leafs are an extremely bad candidate to offer-sheet a forward. I’m aware. I didn’t exclude them outright because they are 1 of 30 other teams (of which there are many other bad candidates) that COULD do it. I was just hoping for general discussion, sorry for the confusion.


Mangiapane will not get an OS. The flames do value him very highly and would match anything that would come in. No team is giving up a 1st to overpay him.
 
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