Hawks don't need a center.

Dear god. I’m sorry but bowman doesn’t win nylander trades and we aren’t giving that package up for nylander even if you put a gun to dubas’ head.

Lillypad is useless and Kerfoot is an overpaid 3rd liner that the Hawks have plenty of and cheaper. We will keep Nylander.

Sure is on the third in Toronto....Would be an upgrade on the wing on the first or second line in Chicago though.

Kerfoot is not playing top 6 wing, he is not designed for that role.

Wingers; Kane, Debrincat, Kubalik, Nylander, Suter, Shaw, Janmark, Highmore, Hagel, Kampf, Carpenter, Kurashev). Kerfoot is way too much money when we have plenty of players that bring defense and physicality up front and Nylander is way more offensively talented.

Lillypad wouldn't make our roster and probably not anywhere in the foreseeable future as he's stuck behind Boqvist, Murphy, Mitchell, Seabrook and likely Regula at this point all on the right side.

We are not parting with Nylander for Holl, dermott, Kerfoot, Engvall or Lillypad. These are players that Hawks don't have use for. Sorry, not trying to be rude here.

These are valid points, and you are not rude at all, thanks for the input!

In your opinion what would Chicago want in return for Alex?

Boy, that's alot of bravado accompanying abysmal analysis, like seriously that type of input might as well come from those infamous drunken yahoo CHI fans

Liljegren only turned 21 this year and was on pace for 50+ points in a full AHL season. Similar to Krug, Barrie, Vatanen, Faulk, etc. In his draft -1 he was seen as a top 2017 prospect in part because his scoring rates that year were in the 'historic' range and he was very mature for his age. Also his talent. That combo of skating, puck control and awareness is quite rare.

Kerf scores at a 40 point pace yearly, good two way, if that isn't worth 3.5M$ then gosh... what is exactly?

Strange that y'all got angrier about the Nylander return than the Brown return, as it's underwhelming

Given the weird season and low cap hit of Nylander, just don't see Chicago moving him for anything the Leafs would want to give up.

That's interesting you view his scoring rates in 16/17 being "historic". Do you mean the 15/16 season in the SJ20 in Sweden, because certainly they weren't "historic" the season before he was drafted? The real head scratcher here, given how weak Toronto's RHD is, why wouldn't have Lillypad been brought up for 10 games at least this past season if he's so good? The reason is Lillypad doesn't play great defense.

When I said Lillypad is "useless" to Chicago the reason is with Boqvist, Mitchell, Murphy, Seabrook and Regula, where does the 21 year old (going on 22 years old) fit in exactly? Above Regula who just put up 60 points the in OHL last year? Possibly I guess but doesn't really move the needle when we have a logjam already on defensive players who aren't a given for a first line role on the left side.

Where is Kerfoot and his $3.5M cap hit fitting in Chicago? Who's he playing in place that warrants a $3.5M cap hit when we are loaded with defensive forwards? Kerfoot was on pace for 35 points this season (prorated to 82 games), I'm sorry but 35 point to 40 point forwards aren't worth $3.5M in this cap environment for teams that are close to the cap.

You can "try" to insult my first comment, but if you followed the thread you would clearly see the reasoning. You'd be better served to explain how you think this works for Chicago and how these players fit in on Chicago's current team and given their prospect pool instead of trying to explain who the Toronto players are; I know you're new here but it is a given with most senior members on here being well aware of the players they comment on.

I appreciate all the feedback guys. I don't want people to get into a fight. I think different fan bases view their current players with bias, I know I do. My thoughts when I did the armchair on this one was to try and unite the Nylanders in Toronto. Trades are somewhat reasonable. I get that Logan Brown and Alex Nylander are valuable assets which is why I would want them as an ACgm. I did include valuable return according to evolving wild. I think anybody would have a hard time looking at the trades and free agency this year and use reason to disqualify anything.

Logan Brown turned 22 years old AFTER Covid cancelled the season. In no way is Ottawa looking to move him right now unless it's as a piece in a BIG trade.
Also, since drafting Chabot (who plays 28 minutes a nigh) they've got FOUR defensemen taken in the 1st round. Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom, Thomson and Sanderson. They aren't looking for D.

The issue is, as it pertains to the offering for Chicago, is not whether the value on paper in isolation is fair or not. In every trade, while that is part of proposing trade between trade ensuring the value is close to equal on paper, the bigger part is how the trade fits both teams. That is why Chicago rejects as this simply doesn't fit any needs in Chicago.