I'm questioning the fit for Dumba in FLA. I am starting to think the baseline would be Fiala or Kaprizov.

i can guarantee you florida will do everything in their power to get a barkov deal done

Barkov starts with Rossi, Boldy and a 1st. you aren't getting a top 5 C in the league without sending your top prospects back.

Good luck with that one.

Barkov holds all the cards as he is UFA when his current deal expires. The Panthers have done nothing since they drafted him.

No thanks. Better to take the chance he gets to UFA.

Agreed, but I think the point of these are to assume that FLA is moving on.

I don't think Barkov signs here as a UFA and the fact you aren't willing to move Fiala or Kaprizov instead of Dumba shows you aren't putting the best offer forward. I think the 3 part package is a good framework, but the main piece really does matter. Honestly, I would part with either Fiala or Kaprizov in a heartbeat to get Barkov.

That’s your opinion. The Wild will have the roster space and the money to make a move like this with the way Bill Guerin has reshaped the roster. The Wild will be close to contending by then and will be able to make a pitch to Barkov as good as any other team in the league.

It’ll be a 7 by $10 mil deal. I think the trade makes sense because it opens the market for Dumba to include a top 6 wing, which is done pretty quick if you ask me. I’d love to have him but I just hope we are able to put the pieces around him at the same time.

In my opinion, if the Wild are set on trading Dumba, they need to add to him to bring in quality, whether that’s other roster players, picks, or prospects. That way if they can get a top-tier player, even if it may not be a 1C. Not sure how interested they would be in the prospect - 1st round pick route. That’s why it’s best to wait to make a trade until at least in-season, most likely next offseason.

Rental Barkov doesn't sniff you those pieces.

Also, I would be hesitant to trade Fiala and Kaprizov because the Wild finally found game-breaking talent after never having it since Marian Gaborik. The process of finding one again would have to be done all over again.

I think the price was always a pick and prospect. The idea that we could turn Dumba into a 1C was always a pipe dream and I have a feeling he was offered to WPG at the draft for 10OA. Perhaps he was also offered to FLA for 12OA as Friedman suggested but I’m struggling with the fit.

I do think you’re locked into GMBG’s logic about when to trade him though. It’s hard to see MIN as a contender with Dumba in the lineup since we have holes elsewhere to fill. If he can bring in a guy who’s on the top line in 2 years, that’s a win in my book.

the wild would be insanely stupid to rent a player when they arent in a position to compete for the foreseeable future

That last line you said is why I had no issues with the Luke Kunin trade. He’s not a top-line player, but the point is the same. To get a player (Marat Khusnutdinov) who has more raw skill than Kunin who may be better in two years.

This trade would never happen if the Wild thought they couldn’t re-sign him upon acquiring him.

fiala and KK are untouchable for anyone short of a McDavid or Matthews status.. they are not getting traded under any circumstance unless it is for someone more 'game breaking'. Rossi is also probably lumped into that category at this point in time until the wild see what comes next in his development. I could see khovanov being added to a dumba boldy package, but not rossi. On another note - I think the idea of playing with another russian in KK at the same level, similar age, skill, development etc would appeal to barkov for free agency.

Side note - I think the new deals you have for fiala and KK will be the other way around, but about that on dollars. I expect a small adjustment period to impact KK.

I hated to see Kunin go because I love the way he plays, but we WON that trade. And that is before we find out what Bonino gets at the deadline. Marat sounds like a faster version of Ek, doesn’t project a ton of offense but skates well and plays a 200 ft game.

I believe the price to florida was around boldy not dumba. Boldy was 'Fenton's boy' when he ran the board. So I think they were seeing if Fenton had enough sway to go after boldy, like he did pushing the wild for Fiala

I gave Kaprizov more because there is always the threat of Russians wanting less term so they are closer to UFA. It buys more time with the Wild. Barkov is actually Finnish, but your points hit the nail on the head.

Personally, I would have liked to see Boldy for Lundell go down. Lundell was rumored to be the guy MIN liked. Lundell is definitely a center and the only reason Boldy took off last year in the second half at BC was because he moved to wing. Skilled wingers are way easier to come by than top-six centers.

The highlights of him show how well he skates. Definitely a solid prospect to add to the pipeline.

if tahts teh case, than florida won't just trade him as a rental. they'll ask for good value

How is the package I put together a rental package? It is good value for the Panthers.