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One overrated player per team

Initial Creation Date: Oct 28, 2020
Published: Oct 28 at 10:41
Team: 2020-21 Custom Team
Team Explanation
On Rakell: everyone seems to think he's an elite or close to that level scorer but in fact he's a 2nd liner
On Kessel: his role is a 2nd line one
On Kase: he just sucks, and is actually a great proof of why analytics don't tell the full story
On Hall: he's not a 80 pts player, he's a 70 pts player
On Gaudreau: he can't carry a team IMO, not when it matters anyway. Tkachuk should be the main guy in CGY, not Gaudreau
On Trockeck: it's time to stop thinking about him as an excellent 2C and we need to start seeing the truth: he's just an average 2C
On Kubalik: he's not the vest invention since sliced bread ok? Very good player yes but he still plays with guys who can drive plays in an elite way, Toews and Kane
On Makar: look, I love the guy, he really is an elite PP quarterback, but he needs to improve his defense before we start including him in top 10 d-men rankings
On Korpisalo: he's great but really his number have to be boosted by CLB's defensive system
On Seguin: he isn't exactly close to making Team Canada IMO, not even sure if he's a top 20 center in the league
On Mantha: he isn't worth the world ok?
On Draisaitl: one of the worst defensive players in the league, he shouldn't have won the Hart and isn't a top 15 centers when it comes to the overall game
On Barkov: he's great but isn't even the best on his team
I couldn't find anyone for LA
On DUmba: he isn't anything more than number 3 d-man
On Tatar: he isn't a top liner, I think his playoff performance showed us that he's just an average 2nd liner
On Duchene: nuff said
I couldn't come up with anyone for NJ, since PK isn't overrated anymore, everyone knows he's a bottom pairing d-man (I'd even argue he's not NHL caliber but that's just me)
On Varlamov: he's a good goalie for sure, but the defensive structure in NYI helps him a lot
On NYR: Kreider could be overrated in 2 years but not now. You could make a case for ADA too.
On Murray: he's not a true starter
On Giroux: dude's not consistent
On DUmoulin: he's very good but not an elite defensive d-man, as I've sen some PIT fans call him. IMO Marino torches him
I honestly don't know who to pick for SJ
On Krug: he's not a very good player, he's only a very good PP player
On Kucherov: I think people overrate him because they see him as TB's best F, when their best F is Point
On Marner: until he shows he can play with the fire he had in the 2018-19 season on a consistent basis he's overrated. Sorry
on Boeser: IMO the presence of EP/Horvat helps him more than we'd like to admit
On Pacioretty: just a terrible playoff performer. He's not a 1st liner when playoff time comes
On Carlson: he shouldn't have been nominated for the Norris. Terrible at defense. Nuff said
On Connor: IMO he's worse than Scheifele and Ehlers who, IMO, play much better 200 foot game than he does
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
27$81,500,000$162,356,134$0$2,500,000-$80,856,134
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Hall, Taylor
$8,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
$3,789,444
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
ARI
Kessel, Phil
$6,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
CGY
Gaudreau, Johnny
$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
CAR
Trocheck, Vincent
$4,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
BOS
Kase, Ondrej
$2,600,000
RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Kubalik, Dominik
$3,700,000
LW
RFA - 2
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
$9,850,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Mantha, Anthony
$700,000
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
FLA
Barkov, Aleksander
$5,900,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
VGK
Pacioretty, Max
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
NSH
Duchene, Matt
$8,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
VAN
Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
RFA - 2
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 1
CBJ
Korpisalo, Joonas
$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
OTT
Murray, Matt
$6,250,000
G
UFA - 4
STL
Krug, Torey
$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
WSH
Carlson, John
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6

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Oct 28 at 11:30
#51
Bahston Brewins
Joined: May 2016
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Quoting: MelonVK
Carlo was very bad when he first entered the league. He's gradually become defensively solid, but he was very much a net negative player his first year.

It's just funny how you don't see how you're justifying Carlo's speciality but knocking Krug for his. It's fine to have specialists, I agree, but it's all imagination if you think Carlo is better than Krug overall.

The fact that you mention his height should be enough to tell you where your bias lies, really.

The Krug-Carlo pairing was effective, but it'll be interesting to see what happens when Carlo no longer can rely on his partner to always get the puck out of his own zone.


No there's no bias, you just favor a dman who produces points over a dman who's job is to shutdown. THAT'S bias. I also mentioned height because try finding a lot of top 4 dmen with size who are consistently productive in this league? Now tell me how "touchable" those defensemen are? You can't because teams hold onto those assets.

I also didn't bash Krug once this whole time considering he's my favorite defenseman in the league. Any casual would call Carlo overrated. I'm debating that it's unfair to say Krug is better offensively than Carlo is defensively. This all about opinions.
Oct 28 at 11:35
#52
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Posts: 2,589
Likes: 763
Quoting: nalzugaray12
No there's no bias, you just favor a dman who produces points over a dman who's job is to shutdown. THAT'S bias. I also mentioned height because try finding a lot of top 4 dmen with size who are consistently productive in this league? Now tell me how "touchable" those defensemen are? You can't because teams hold onto those assets.


Height has nothing to do with anything. If you play good defense at 5'3, you play good defense at 5'3. If teams value defensemen more because of their height, that sounds like a market inefficiency you want to move away from, and even take advantage of. This is actually an argument for trading Carlo.

No, I actually value points very lowly compared to most people I'd think. In terms of league percentiles, Krug is one of the top offensive defensemen, while still being okay defensively. Carlo is good, but not at the top defensively, but *garbage* offensively.

I'm not exactly on point here, but roughly when saying; Krug's in the 95th or so percentile offensively and still 30-40th defensively. Carlo is like the 80th percentile defensively and like the 5th percentile offensively. The numbers still don't add up for Carlo, and I'm not talking about points scored.
Oct 28 at 11:37
#53
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,929
Likes: 720
Quoting: Saskleaf
Yes he is. He's obvoiusly helped a lot by Makar, but if he plays on a successful first pairing, he's a 1st pairing defenceman.


bad logic, kassian played first line with mcdavid hes 3rd line at best
Oct 28 at 11:37
#54
Lenny7
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 4,358
Likes: 2,285
Quoting: Saskleaf
Not really. He's been great playing beside Muzzin on the second pairing. I get playing with Muzzin obvoiusly helps, but he was good on the second pairing. What does this mean? Second pairing defenceman.


Analytically, he wasn't actually that good...
Oct 28 at 11:39
#55
Thread Starter
FireDougWilson
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 9,280
Likes: 3,699
Quoting: Saskleaf
Not really. He's been great playing beside Muzzin on the second pairing. I get playing with Muzzin obvoiusly helps, but he was good on the second pairing. What does this mean? Second pairing defenceman.


No. That's not how things work.

Genral rule: if you don't look like a top 4 d-man without your partner, then you're not a top 4 d-man.

Holl can't do anything without Muzzin, which means that... he's not a top 4 d-man
Oct 28 at 11:45
#56
Raps sign Giannis
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 3,959
Likes: 1,470
Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
No. That's not how things work.

Genral rule: if you don't look like a top 4 d-man without your partner, then you're not a top 4 d-man.

Holl can't do anything without Muzzin, which means that... he's not a top 4 d-man


He played well beside Dermott when Muzzin was injured. They actually played top pairing for a few games. Now, I'm not going to suggest they are top pairing, but they are ok top 4 players. They are very good 3 pairing d men if you have to play them there.
Oct 28 at 11:52
#57
Raps sign Giannis
Joined: Apr 2020
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Quoting: vr1995
bad logic, kassian played first line with mcdavid hes 3rd line at best


Quoting: Lenny7
Analytically, he wasn't actually that good...


I say he's a second pairing. But whatever, you guys can think what you want. He has been great beside Muzzin, and he will be playing 2nd pair for the leafs next year. But Whatever.
Oct 28 at 11:53
#58
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
No. That's not how things work.

Genral rule: if you don't look like a top 4 d-man without your partner, then you're not a top 4 d-man.

Holl can't do anything without Muzzin, which means that... he's not a top 4 d-man


Don't tell the Carlo-truthers this please, I don't think they can handle it
 
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