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Paper Waivers and Barabanov

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 28, 2020
Published: Oct. 28, 2020
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Hello 👋 And Good Morning! ☕️ It’s time to figure out Barabanov folks. Toronto is facing a very tight cap so you’ve probably heard. I’ve been noticing that people keep posting teams without Barabanov. Here’s the thing tho, he is definitely making the opening lineup. I’ll outline reasons for that below. Keeping Barabanov on the NHL roster does mean there will be a tough choice looming for one of these players (ie. being sent down to the AHL). The real question is which one of these players will be sent down or moved out? No way Dubas trades Holl just after signing him plus giving him a M-NTC. No way Dubas trades Engvall cause he can send him down to the Marlies without waivers for 12 more games. I’ve got three reasons listed below why Barabanov is going to remain on the NHL roster so that leaves us with a long list of NHL regulars to cut.

Barabanov is legit
1: He is already in Toronto, practicing and making friends
2. He wouldn’t have left the KHL for the AHL and has a Opt Out clause in his contract
3. Toronto has shown willingness to play KHL players in the past and will continue to do so- Plus Dubas has a good relationship with his agent Dan Milstein (great follow on Twitter)
4. Barabanov plays the type of game the Leafs desperately require- good forechecker, 200% effort and even kills penalties

So is the only hope that someone gets injured in training camp? Or are we left explaining in Russian to Barabanov that he will be sent up and down everyday to make the cap work? Dubas clearly is predicting carrying a large “practice squad” with the unpredictable season ahead. There is added risk of losing players to COVID-19 positive tests so it is good to see a large number of NHL players. Only downside is that if everyone is healthy come opening day, there is a tough choice to make.

So you will see below that I’ve demoted Engvall, and I’ve got a 22 man roster that needs 1 player sent down to be cap compliant- my vote is that Barabanov is constantly put on “paper waivers” until we accrue enough cap space to keep him and a Engvall up. Engvall would require waivers to be called up and could be claimed for nothing but that is a risk I think the Leafs will take.

What are you’re thoughts folks?
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:38 p.m.
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I've heard he's like a more complete version of Trevor Moore
Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:43 p.m.
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That's a pretty well argued piece on Barabanov. If you're correct that he makes the NHL roster out of camp then I think you're right there will be constant paper waiver transactions to remain cap compliant. Although it's pretty rare not to have at least a few injuries depending on that it could make matters even worse. While I appreciate your stance on this, I disagree that Barabanov is a lock to make the roster.
The reasons you outlined are all pro-active things he should be doing to acclimate to the team anyways. I think that he will still need to play his way onto the roster. For the record, I agree that many people are overlooking him when doing GM posts and I hope he makes the team and is as good as his hype. I just think he has to actually make the team out of camp and if he doesn't he may opt back to the KHL.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:47 p.m.
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Barabanov would be lucky to make the Leafs bottom 6 with the internal competition there is now after adding Boyd and Vesey, and still having main pieces on the roster like Engvall and Robertson while Mikheyev is taking a roster spot. We have no idea who Barabanov is or how he plays. Playing him immediately on the third line would be calling for failure
Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason
Barabanov would be lucky to make the Leafs bottom 6 with the internal competition there is now after adding Boyd and Vesey, and still having main pieces on the roster like Engvall and Robertson while Mikheyev is taking a roster spot. We have no idea who Barabanov is or how he plays. Playing him immediately on the third line would be calling for failure


I think you will be surprised with Barabanov. He brings exactly what the Leafs bottom 6 needs and there is a large history of KHL players winning out over others
Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason
Barabanov would be lucky to make the Leafs bottom 6 with the internal competition there is now after adding Boyd and Vesey, and still having main pieces on the roster like Engvall and Robertson while Mikheyev is taking a roster spot. We have no idea who Barabanov is or how he plays. Playing him immediately on the third line would be calling for failure


You may not have any idea who Barabanov is, but there are some that have watched him plenty. He's a good (not stunning) player and I'm confident he will play in atleast half the games this season, just due to the fact of how much depth we have. He is no slouch and that 3rd line with Ilya and Kerfoot might be one of the best 3rd lines...
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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You may not have any idea who Barabanov is, but there are some that have watched him plenty. He's a good (not stunning) player and I'm confident he will play in atleast half the games this season, just due to the fact of how much depth we have. He is no slouch and that 3rd line with Ilya and Kerfoot might be one of the best 3rd lines...


I project that line could be the best “defensive match up line” since we traded Kadri
Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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This is pretty simple. Robertson goes down. Not sure barabanov would be to happy about a 90% pay cut on non game days. If he agrees to it, great.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:14 p.m.
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Also engvall is waiver exempt for 15 games.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.
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Also engvall is waiver exempt for 15 games.


Even better! Thank you!
Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.
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This is pretty simple. Robertson goes down. Not sure barabanov would be to happy about a 90% pay cut on non game days. If he agrees to it, great.


Can’t send Robertson down, he returns to OHL if you do
Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:48 p.m.
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Can’t send Robertson down, he returns to OHL if you do


Yup, if they have a season you send him back.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 1:56 p.m.
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Yup, if they have a season you send him back.


I doubt they will send him but it certainly remains a possibility
Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:03 p.m.
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I doubt they will send him but it certainly remains a possibility


Leafs will have Hyman Mikheyev barbanov vesey and engvall on left wing. Which 3 does he beat out? We certainly aren’t keeping him on the 4th line.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:09 p.m.
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Leafs will have Hyman Mikheyev barbanov vesey and engvall on left wing. Which 3 does he beat out? We certainly aren’t keeping him on the 4th line.


He plays RW too my friend
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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I can't see Thornton as a LWer...certainly not a 2nd liner. Sure the Leafs can send Barbanov down, but it shouldn't be for cap reasons. If he NHL good enough, and the Leafs send him to the Marlies...good luck on the Leafs signing other Russian/European UFAs.
I really wonder why the Leafs signed Vesey....maybe they think Barbanov, and Robertson aren't NHL ready
Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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I can't see Thornton as a LWer...certainly not a 2nd liner. Sure the Leafs can send Barbanov down, but it shouldn't be for cap reasons. If he NHL good enough, and the Leafs send him to the Marlies...good luck on the Leafs signing other Russian/European UFAs.
I really wonder why the Leafs signed Vesey....maybe they think Barbanov, and Robertson aren't NHL ready


Ummm Toronto has signed more Euro/Russian players than any other team in the NHL in the past 4 years. All of them have played significant time for the Leafs. I think Vesey could be the odd man out or Spezza personally
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I can't see Thornton as a LWer...certainly not a 2nd liner. Sure the Leafs can send Barbanov down, but it shouldn't be for cap reasons. If he NHL good enough, and the Leafs send him to the Marlies...good luck on the Leafs signing other Russian/European UFAs.
I really wonder why the Leafs signed Vesey....maybe they think Barbanov, and Robertson aren't NHL ready


I think it was a depth move to sign vesey. They may think they can rekindle the chemistry with kerfoot. Bottom line is that barabanov is not sent down, he is sent home. I think for that reason if Robertson doesn’t blow him off the ice they send Robertson down and his elc slides.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.
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He plays RW too my friend

So does marner nylander Simmonds and Spezza those are your top 4 right there. Also keep in mind we have other players that would have to clear waivers like Boyd competing there.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:54 p.m.
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3rd line is probably gonna be vesey and barabanov on the wings, maybe sometimes robertson switches in with one of them. Thornton on 4th line plz. And Mikheyev 2nd line
Oct. 28, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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So does marner nylander Simmonds and Spezza those are your top 4 right there. Also keep in mind we have other players that would have to clear waivers like Boyd competing there.


Boyd is an interesting one too. I almost think he signed with Toronto cause they will sneak him into a few games and can pay him a higher AHL salary than every other team atm
Oct. 28, 2020 at 3:30 p.m.
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3rd line is probably gonna be vesey and barabanov on the wings, maybe sometimes robertson switches in with one of them. Thornton on 4th line plz. And Mikheyev 2nd line


I think Simmonds gets the 3rd line. At least to start.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 4:56 p.m.
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I think Simmonds gets the 3rd line. At least to start.


I wouldn’t mind seeing Simmonds play anywhere in the lineup, I think Keefe is gunna play around and see who gells together nicely
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.
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It's not an easy puzzle to figure out. From everything I've seen/read, I think Barabanov is in the opening lineup.

I was pretty sure Robertson wasn't making the playoff roster, and he proved me wrong, but with the cap the way it is, and Leafs having 16+ NHL forwards atm, I have a hard time seeing crack the roster out of camp.

The other factor that may play into the decision making - does Malholtra/Keefe want a shutdown 3rd line? If they do, Barabanov may have a chance to fill that role. The 3rd line proposed here could possibly be the Leafs shutdown line with Engvall the backup in case of injuries.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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This is pretty simple. Robertson goes down. Not sure barabanov would be to happy about a 90% pay cut on non game days. If he agrees to it, great.


This is a solid point. Mirtle and other spots are mentioning a 20 man roster on off days. Barabanov and Lehtonen will likely be only waiver exempt regulars that can bounce back & forth.

hat would be a fun convo to have. Tell them instead of the $925K they signed for, are they alright making around $600K before 30% escrow, around $400K after, so the team can add at the deadline.

Obviously still big $$ compared to the avg. Joe, but both guys would likely make more in KHL.
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
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This is a solid point. Mirtle and other spots are mentioning a 20 man roster on off days. Barabanov and Lehtonen will likely be only waiver exempt regulars that can bounce back & forth.

hat would be a fun convo to have. Tell them instead of the $925K they signed for, are they alright making around $600K before 30% escrow, around $400K after, so the team can add at the deadline.

Obviously still big $$ compared to the avg. Joe, but both guys would likely make more in KHL.


Yup, that is the issue. In my opinion dubas will move all of his non waiver exempt players down on the busiest day and see who makes it. They can then be moved up and down without having to clear waivers.

There may also come a point when they decide to move engvall. He is only waiver exempt for his first 15 games played.
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