You can keep him for 11M no matter the cost. If you aren't eating some of his contract we aren't taking him. He's not an 11M a year player

Yea I guess you better save all that salary cap for.......

It would be crazy to get a 90 point player.....

It is not that they do not want to add talent, it is they can not afford to trade 4 assets for one asset, even if that asset is a very good player.

Yzerman has a plan just like Leafs had Shanaplan, and he is sticking to it. He says he wants to build thru the draft and trading picks and prospects and very good players is not in the plan.

Tell me this, in the Shanaplan what very good player did the Leafs trade for and give up good talent?

Only one and that was Anderson only when they had drafted several players, now considered stars. They built thru the draft and added players after they had accumulated their roster and only then did they sign Tavares and trade for Marner.


You RIP Wing's fans but they see things like Yzerman does, draft well, stock pile players and when ready you trade for players that fill holes, and they are no where near that now.

Yep that would make sense if we were talking about a 30 year old player.....Marner is a 23 year old kid who can grow with the Red Wing's young talent.

Yup we'll save it so we can have a complete team and have a bunch of good players at every position instead of being in a Cap crunch because you have 3 players who make too much and can't win playoff games. We will continue our rebuild through the draft and you can continue losing every playoff game. I find it funny that 59 people on here told you no, but you still argue with every one of them. Bottom line you are wrong and the wings reject your trade offer

Not at 11M, leafs eat 3M or no deal

I'm sorry that you are taking this personally. The point of this forum is to provide discussions. And this trade proposal has had more Red Wing fans say yes to the trade then no. You are just spamming the thread with 15 messages no.

No deal, no wings fan who knows how to build as team or how yzerman is building his team would say yes to this deal. Leafs eat 3M or you can keep him. You obviously don't understand how the cap works if you think yzerman would take this guy at being way overpaid, no matter the cost. He wants out if cap hell, not in it. We already drafted our marner, we are good. Leafs are stuck with him

Oh he's overpaid for sure but hes only 23 and he's an elite playmaker.

You'd have to be very stupid to say no to this from the Wings perspective, and I doubt Yzerman would, but the Leafs would never execute this trade.

that dude is one of the most obnoxious people on this website lmao. just comes on and gets mad about every red wings trade

I wouldn't do this if I were Toronto or Detroit. They downgrade on offense in the short term which isn't ideal for their cup window.

It is very likely that Yzerman is going to end up picking up a crap contract like a 30 year old Tyler Johnson at 5M per for 5 years or a 31 year old Ryan Mc Donagh at 6.75M to help out TB and end up getting a first round pick for it. All I am saying is I think Marner would fit better at 23 years of age, and it is a reasonable price to pay in trade. Yes is is an $11M cap hit but I think the fit is much better. But i guess we shall see what happens.

We are only taking those Contracts if it's for way more then 1 first round pick that will be pick 28-32. So we would require way more then that to take TJ at this point

Like clockwork...

Easy accept for Det.

Leafs would never do this.

could set my watch to it

Toronto had arguably the most talented roster in the NHL this season but couldn't make it to the playoffs. But it's only been 53 years since Toronto has hoisted the Cup.

you guys had one of the worst seasons in nhl history, you couldnt even win a favored lottery

Ok not sure how its relevant but Detroit has moved back in every draft lottery that they have taken part in but that is something they have absolutely no control over. Since Toronto last Cup: Detroit has had a streak of 25 straight playoff appearances, 17 division championships, 6 conference championships, 6 Presidents' Trophies and 4 Cups. Yeah Detroit was really bad but you have to rebuild at some point and 25 seasons of buying at the TDL left their pipeline pretty barren. Coming into this season everybody knew Detroit was going to be bad this season maybe not as bad as they were but they knew it was going to be a rough season. But Toronto last season had what 6 or 7 all stars and got knocked out before the playoffs even started. I find that more embarrassing than just being really bad.

I’m playing, would have loved that success and leafs were embarrassing, my main point I guess was Marner is very good and he’s young enough where it won’t mess up the rebuild,

Ok 1st, Marner is a very good player on a team with some very good players. This trade as proposed is in favor for the Wings, I am not arguing any of that stuff.

But there are several reason why I would not make this deal. Not that I would not love Marner on the Wings.

1. Wings are in a rebuild and even thought Marner is a top forward, but he is overpaid by abot 3 million, I believe, my opinion. He plays with 2 forwards that are top players in the league.
2. I believe Steve learned both from his time with the Wings and from Tampa. You need to have 20 players who can play. The Lightning learned this and went out with and without Steve to assemble 20 players who play their role. Guys like Draper, Maltby and Dallas Drake with the Wings and guys like Goodrow, Marron and Schenn are the kind of players teams need and right now Leafs have several top players and some also rans. Leaf fan'ss can say what you want but they do not have those grinders and muckers needed to win a cup. That being said Marner's cap hit is 11 million and is 1//8 of a teams cap. I beleive that is just too much for a team to carry let alone 3 players making that on one team. Leafs carry 3 pl players making over 10 million, that is 43% of a teams cap. Wings have several players after this year and when you have such a large chunk of cap in one player, is a problem
3. One player will not make this team a playoff team. Is Bertuzzi and 2 2nd the value of Marner one on one no but collectively yes because those 3 players could be very good players and be contributers.
4. Yzerman wants to build a team they the draft, picking in the top 60 is a way to build a top contender. He has shown to be very good at looking at and choosing in the draft. Drafting well is a way to make a winner and to keep the team relevant for many years.

Again would I love to have Marner, sure I am not a dummy. But right now with the freeze in the cap, my team rebuilding and on player is not going to help this team.

And for the snarky Leaf fans who stated Wings fans are who we are grumpy or uneducated, well fine. I could care less, if I disagree I disagree, does not make me grumpy, because I have my opinion and being called names will deter me. Jamiepro stated like clockwork, well like clockwork I have heard Leaf fans saying will not cost a 1st to get rid of Marleau or Johnsson Wilma get a 1st round pick or Holl is worth a 2nd. I did not day anything but I disagree, without calling out posters.