you can also take romanov, he was the second round pick of the danault trade

Thanks I did not realize that! Stings even worse. Fleishman was such a bad move. We scratched him so much and to think how much lasting impact that move had. The Hawks need D and C help more than anything and those 2 could have been the glue.

Hats off to you! I understand this had to have taken a very long time to make and it’s very in depth and made well good work!

I think Debrincat stays over Kubalik tbh. We drafted him while we still had Panarin so that shouldnt be as big of an effect, and then they never trade for Kubalik instead

Thanks its such a buzz kill to see in a lot of ways. All things considered the Hawks would be better off with this plan no doubt.

It's difficult to theorize because if the Hawks never make the orginal bad deal with the Habs sending Danault out the door would the repeat business have been there? I think that even if that deal is made when you go into that draft with Panarin and Tuevo on your roster and part of your long term plans are you drafting another undersized goal scoring wing with no ability to play on the PK? I don't think we have him in our system in any way if we kept Panarin and Tuevo. It would have been more D depth I think.

You guys are missing the fact that Danault was TERRIBLE for the Hawks and TERRIBLE for their AHL affiliate the Ice Hogs too. I'm dead serious. Credit goes to Danault 1,000%. He got the ice time he needed (not deserved) and made FULL use of it. He's a really good player today. The trade is terrible for Bowman because FIVE years happened since the trade. Bowman was going for the cup. I'm not upset at going for another cup.

Also, every single GM in the game can have this happen to them. Point out ONLY the mistakes and say... Look what could have been??? Oh Wow! You can't look at only the bad without the good.

100% agree at the time looked like the right move. I support Bowman and I think he gets way too much negative attention and not enough credit for being a big part of 3 Cups in less than a decade. I am not s spoiled Hawk fan that demands miracle transactions to take place in a cap era so we can win the Cup every year. The suffering occurring now is like paying the bill for an awesome dinner out with friends. It sucks to spend the cash but it was worth the experience 100% of the time!

Idk if I would say he was terrible. He was 22 years old with a close to 50% faceoff and had a 50% CF in 30% Offensive zone starts. It was hard to predict that he was going to become as offensively capable as he was, but it is also wrong to say that getting Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann would have been clear upgrades

forgot romanov and shmaltz

I think the Shaw trade is completely unrelated, it was a matter of shedding cap space, and it didn't necessarily have to be with the Habs. The thing about Debrincat is I suspect it was less about drafting for need and more about picking up the best player left on their board. I would assume at that point Panarin still figured into long term plans, and with Teuvo and Schmaltz both figuring to be centers, they would have still had need for a true winger

OK, terrible might be strong, but there are definitely AHLers getting full PPG and can't translate to the NHL. Danault barely cracked 50%. Danault also got NHL time and didn't do anything with it. He even got time with Kane in 2015/2016 and didn't make anything of it. Terrible could be a bit strong. I hear you and I probably shouldn't say a young prospect like that was definitely terrible. He wasn't panning out like the Hawks wanted him to. The irony is that they actually did need a #3c. The reason he was traded was literally because Tanner Kero out worked him. That's a true story. Yes, hindsight is what is it, but that could equally be said for Danault's development. He would have never received the ice time needed to develop into a the VERY GOOD Centerman he is today.

I agree with the fact that his offensive potential was practically zero, and trading him for an upgrade would have been pretty fine. Former first round pick, getting his feet wet in the NHL, sold off to win another cup or make a deep run. The problem was more so who he was traded for. If he was traded for a guy with true offensive upside like Mikkel Boedker (the guy I wanted) or a true defenseman to serve as a replacement for Oduya because Daley and Ehrhoff clearly were not working out, it would have been a good deadline. Instead, he was traded for guys with pretty limited offensive potential, more defensive guys, which was basically who he was already. That's really where the problem lies in that deal. I don't think its as offensive as most people think it is, as you are suggesting, but I do think it was a pretty weird idea for who they got back

My perspective goes back to the Danualt deal and that you would not have even drafted Schmaltz with that pick in 2014, if you felt Danault was the #3 if not #2 center at the time I feel that pick would have been for D help rather than Schmaltz.

That defense is still bad. Though I imagine between mitchell, joker, and boker one of them plays LD. You can't play Carlson and sit Mitchell. I never understood why Teuvo went with Bickell. Why didn't they trade a prospect or a pick or simply buy Bickell out? I also never understood the MTL trades with Danault. The team was the #1 team in the Western Conference and everything was clicking. We didn't need Weiss and Fleischmann.

On the Bickell trade and why they included Tuevo is because he basically was it as far as a prospect/player at the time. The Hawks had already set a precedent that they would trade cusp players like Tuevo when they dealt away Sharp with Johns, Campbell with Hayes. Its just an awful situation anyway you look at it. Imagine if Bickell never gets sick and still plays at that dominant power forward level that got him paid and you have Tuevo and Panarin joining the team! Monster team that has the ability to go for that 4th Cup of the Decade.

So unfortunate that illness hit Bicks and to a lesser extent the future of the Hawks as it has currently been written.

Unfortunate is right. Sucks for him most of all. He's got a tremendous story after hockey. I'm very happy to see him ice dancing now. For real though, not a joke. Happy for the guy!

From the selfish side. It would have been nice if the Hawks doctors found this. He only played 11 games for CAR...it's not like he went on a played a bunch and then found it. It was something like 90 days...ish and then diagnosed.

Schmaltz was drafted 2 years before Danault was dealt. Danault was never seen as going to be an offensive guy, his ceiling was seen as a defensive 3c with a completely different skill set than schmaltz. These things are not really related.

Dominik Kubalik played center in his league. So you could probably have 72-8-88 as a line and be more effective because AA’s 25% faceoff rate definitely wouldn’t be that difficult to do better than.

I doubt it. Also consider the gap between when Kubalik arrived and when we would have needed him. He is an offensive player and the wing is his spot. I doubt he could run center as well as he does wing.

The chemistry of the "Cold War Line" as I call it with 72-15-88 was amazing and Anisimov was actually worth his cap hit when playing between those stud wings.

Any center is worth their cap when you have ROTY and MVP as linemates. Seriously faceoffs got them destroyed in the playoffs because anisimov would be the easiest draw to win in the league going 1 for 7 at times. That’s why Toews at the center on that line was almost guranteed a goal in the regular season because they didn’t have to fight to get possession back every ****.

AA got bailed on by OTTAWA that’s how bad he is at center and that’s just how good 72 and 88 were.

Yeah and I think his greatest contribution of his career will be that he was the Russian helper that got Bread Man adjusted to the NHL.