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Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 7, 2021
Published: Feb. 7, 2021
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Trade doesn't happen until Mike Smith is healthy. 14-day quarantine puts Edmonton in a tight spot in the short term, but I dont know how this team intends on winning without a legitimate starter.
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:03 p.m.
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Not even close
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With Gibson being so young and locked at long term on a great deal, I don't see a any deal doesn't get done without Broberg or Bouchard + a young roster player that's already NHL ready (thinking Yamamoto, Bear, or Puljujarvi type) + picks.

Moving Gibson sets Anaheim too far back in their rebuild to not get a massive package. This offer just doesn't do it
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Sharks dont have cap room for those guys
Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:05 p.m.
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Not even close


I think it's pretty close but agree EDM needs to add a bit
Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:05 p.m.
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That's definitely a good start. Probably need to add another young player or A level prospect
Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
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Edmonton is not getting rid of lavoie or Broberg. Their budget is probably a 1st round pick and somebody like benson or Lagesson.
Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
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Quoting: tormundgiantsbane
I think it's pretty close but agree EDM needs to add a bit


Its no where close. Like not even in the ball park. For the Ducks to even consider a trade for Gibson out of division it would need to be enough to completely end the rebuild, now you're changing that to a Division Rival and that price goes up a significant amount. This offer doesnt even get ANA on the phone
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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Ducks don’t even consider this
Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
Not even close


Quoting: Ryminister_27
With Gibson being so young and locked at long term on a great deal, I don't see a any deal doesn't get done without Broberg or Bouchard + a young roster player that's already NHL ready (thinking Yamamoto, Bear, or Puljujarvi type) + picks.

Moving Gibson sets Anaheim too far back in their rebuild to not get a massive package. This offer just doesn't do it


Quoting: Salzy
Its no where close. Like not even in the ball park. For the Ducks to even consider a trade for Gibson out of division it would need to be enough to completely end the rebuild, now you're changing that to a Division Rival and that price goes up a significant amount. This offer doesnt even get ANA on the phone


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Ducks don’t even consider this


What kind of absurd ask for Gibson are you expecting then? What goaltender has ever gone for the combination of two firsts and a second? Do you believe that Lavoie is a nothing piece despite being one of the top volume-shooting prospects outside of the NHL right now?

Anaheim's only starting their rebuild right now. There's only 2 or 3 really, really good pieces (Dostal, Drysdale, Zegras) with an assortment of complimentary players. Lundestrom, Steel, Perreault, Comtois, and company are fun, young players, but not so high in pedigree that you can claim the rebuild is over. The Ducks - and any rebuilding team really - need at least 3-5 elite forwards (depending on the strength of the supporting cast), at least 2 elite defenders, and a quality piece in net. Look at the Senators: so many people thought they'd improve drastically because they have Stuetzle playing with Tkachuk and a similar assortment of good, fun prospects. Dorion went out and got his guy in net. They stink. The Senators are on pace for one of the worst seasons in NHL history and they're ahead of the Ducks in terms of a rebuild. Come back down to Earth boys.

Gibson is arguably the best goaltender in the NHL. I'd never short him or you guys on that, but goaltenders don't get traded for rebuild-ending trades (is there even such a thing????) nor do they get traded for genuine market value regardless. This is not a bad offer - I'd be willing to tack on the 2022 1st at most - but to say it's "not even close" or "Anaheim doesn't even take this call" is so wildly ignorant. It's not even based in reality how far you've overvalued Gibson.

Anaheim does not have a LHD prospect in their system anywhere close to Broberg's level. His year 2 growth was been incredible. Lavoie as Zegras' trigger-man immediately gives the Ducks something to keep pace with Los Angeles' Byfield-Kaliyev combination. Extra first round picks never hurt: there's even another premier goaltender in this upcoming draft. Koskinen's here for cap reasons and the Ducks needing someone to at least fill the net in the very short-term. This isn't a bad deal, especially if the 2022 1st is added.

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Sharks dont have cap room for those guys


I believe they do following a paper transaction of one of their ELC defenders to their taxi squad. Have to remember that all salaries involved aren't their full hits and that there's a degree of prorating done here, especially if it's done later into the season. All that counts against the cap is whatever's left owing on Larsson and Chiasson.

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Edmonton is not getting rid of lavoie or Broberg. Their budget is probably a 1st round pick and somebody like benson or Lagesson.


Not for any genuine, long-term fix that matters. Korpisalo is not a good goaltender. Raanta and Kuemper are short-term solutions. If there's any desire to win while McDavid and Draisaitl are still in town, they need a trade not dissimilar to this one in order to secure a proper fix in net. This endless cycle of maybes and gambles from other teams needs to stop.
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
What kind of absurd ask for Gibson are you expecting then? What goaltender has ever gone for the combination of two firsts and a second? Do you believe that Lavoie is a nothing piece despite being one of the top volume-shooting prospects outside of the NHL right now?

Anaheim's only starting their rebuild right now. There's only 2 or 3 really, really good pieces (Dostal, Drysdale, Zegras) with an assortment of complimentary players. Lundestrom, Steel, Perreault, Comtois, and company are fun, young players, but not so high in pedigree that you can claim the rebuild is over. The Ducks - and any rebuilding team really - need at least 3-5 elite forwards (depending on the strength of the supporting cast), at least 2 elite defenders, and a quality piece in net. Look at the Senators: so many people thought they'd improve drastically because they have Stuetzle playing with Tkachuk and a similar assortment of good, fun prospects. Dorion went out and got his guy in net. They stink. The Senators are on pace for one of the worst seasons in NHL history and they're ahead of the Ducks in terms of a rebuild. Come back down to Earth boys.

Gibson is arguably the best goaltender in the NHL. I'd never short him or you guys on that, but goaltenders don't get traded for rebuild-ending trades (is there even such a thing????) nor do they get traded for genuine market value regardless. This is not a bad offer - I'd be willing to tack on the 2022 1st at most - but to say it's "not even close" or "Anaheim doesn't even take this call" is so wildly ignorant. It's not even based in reality how far you've overvalued Gibson.

Anaheim does not have a LHD prospect in their system anywhere close to Broberg's level. His year 2 growth was been incredible. Lavoie as Zegras' trigger-man immediately gives the Ducks something to keep pace with Los Angeles' Byfield-Kaliyev combination. Extra first round picks never hurt: there's even another premier goaltender in this upcoming draft. Koskinen's here for cap reasons and the Ducks needing someone to at least fill the net in the very short-term. This isn't a bad deal, especially if the 2022 1st is added.



I believe they do following a paper transaction of one of their ELC defenders to their taxi squad. Have to remember that all salaries involved aren't their full hits and that there's a degree of prorating done here, especially if it's done later into the season. All that counts against the cap is whatever's left owing on Larsson and Chiasson.



Not for any genuine, long-term fix that matters. Korpisalo is not a good goaltender. Raanta and Kuemper are short-term solutions. If there's any desire to win while McDavid and Draisaitl are still in town, they need a trade not dissimilar to this one in order to secure a proper fix in net. This endless cycle of maybes and gambles from other teams needs to stop.


They can’t sell the farm to buy a new tractor it doesn’t make sense. I’m sorry to say that solutions for 4 years and younger unproven goaltenders are all that is on the market. Any NHL team that has a top 10 goalie is holding onto them so tightly you won’t ever pry them out. Edmonton also has maybe 5 million in cap that they can spend on a goalie so they have limited options. My hope is they can get somebody that can play well for now such as Kuemper and they can also draft another goaltender or develop one they already have.
Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:20 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
What kind of absurd ask for Gibson are you expecting then? What goaltender has ever gone for the combination of two firsts and a second? Do you believe that Lavoie is a nothing piece despite being one of the top volume-shooting prospects outside of the NHL right now?


I mean I literally said it in my comment. A Gibson deal goes something like:
Broberg or Bouchard (if you're saying they want a LHD then take Broberg)
Yamamoto or Puljujarvi (probably Puljujarvi as Yamamoto has fit in better for Edmonton)
1st round pick (likely be later because with a goalie Edmonton is gonna compete now)
Then probably add on a lower level prospect and a mid round pick.

I get your argument of "when was a goalie traded for that much" but I just not valid in this case. You're forgetting multiple things:
1. Gibson is arguably the front runner for the Vezina right now. - When was the last time a goalie was traded when they were considered the best goalie in the league?
2. His age. - he's 27 and right in his prime as the top goalie in the league.
3. His contract. - not only is $6.4M a steal of a cap hit for a Vezina calibre goalie every year, but he's signed for 7 more years. So a team has long term security with him in net.

Trading Gibson now would be compared to trading Price when he was in his prime and winning Vezina's and the Hart Trophy. Same age, basically same cap hit, and same impact on the team.

Anything less than 3 guaranteed impact players doesn't even get an answer from Anaheim.
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:24 p.m.
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They can’t sell the farm to buy a new tractor it doesn’t make sense. I’m sorry to say that solutions for 4 years and younger unproven goaltenders are all that is on the market. Any NHL team that has a top 10 goalie is holding onto them so tightly you won’t ever pry them out. Edmonton also has maybe 5 million in cap that they can spend on a goalie so they have limited options. My hope is they can get somebody that can play well for now such as Kuemper and they can also draft another goaltender or develop one they already have.


Any trade for a short-term solution in net is a bad trade. Giving up assets for either Kuemper or Raanta just to have to plug the same hole in two years is silly. None of Skinner, Rodrigue, or Konovalov are proven. Goalie prospects are very, very hard to project and Edmonton cannot bank on any of them being ready within two years to take up that mantle.

Drafting? Developing? How long do you want to make the stars on this team wait to hoist the cup? Any young goaltender acquired today is at least 5 years out. That kind of time doesn't exist for these Oilers. If this team isn't willing to play defence, they at least need a goaltender capable of bailing out the blueline. Koskinen isn't that guy. Korpisalo isn't that guy. Neither Keumper or Raanta are that guy.
Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
I mean I literally said it in my comment. A Gibson deal goes something like:
Broberg or Bouchard (if you're saying they want a LHD then take Broberg)
Yamamoto or Puljujarvi (probably Puljujarvi as Yamamoto has fit in better for Edmonton)
1st round pick (likely be later because with a goalie Edmonton is gonna compete now)
Then probably add on a lower level prospect and a mid round pick.

I get your argument of "when was a goalie traded for that much" but I just not valid in this case. You're forgetting multiple things:
1. Gibson is arguably the front runner for the Vezina right now. - When was the last time a goalie was traded when they were considered the best goalie in the league?
2. His age. - he's 27 and right in his prime as the top goalie in the league.
3. His contract. - not only is $6.4M a steal of a cap hit for a Vezina calibre goalie every year, but he's signed for 7 more years. So a team has long term security with him in net.

Trading Gibson now would be compared to trading Price when he was in his prime and winning Vezina's and the Hart Trophy. Same age, basically same cap hit, and same impact on the team.

Anything less than 3 guaranteed impact players doesn't even get an answer from Anaheim.


Broberg, Lavoie, and two first round picks should absolutely fit that requirement and I'm failing to see how it doesn't. There's no precedent for any goaltender to be traded for more than a star forward, and this package exceeds what Hall and Stone went for. You aren't being realistic.
Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Broberg, Lavoie, and two first round picks should absolutely fit that requirement and I'm failing to see how it doesn't. There's no precedent for any goaltender to be traded for more than a star forward, and this package exceeds what Hall and Stone went for. You aren't being realistic.


Lavoie is not seen as a guy with substantial upside. That's the problem. Puljujarvi is. That's the big difference. & if you think a team is going to trade away a Vezina calibre goalie every year with 7 years of team control at under $7M for anything less, you're the one not being realistic here.
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Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
What kind of absurd ask for Gibson are you expecting then? What goaltender has ever gone for the combination of two firsts and a second? Do you believe that Lavoie is a nothing piece despite being one of the top volume-shooting prospects outside of the NHL right now?

Anaheim's only starting their rebuild right now. There's only 2 or 3 really, really good pieces (Dostal, Drysdale, Zegras) with an assortment of complimentary players. Lundestrom, Steel, Perreault, Comtois, and company are fun, young players, but not so high in pedigree that you can claim the rebuild is over. The Ducks - and any rebuilding team really - need at least 3-5 elite forwards (depending on the strength of the supporting cast), at least 2 elite defenders, and a quality piece in net. Look at the Senators: so many people thought they'd improve drastically because they have Stuetzle playing with Tkachuk and a similar assortment of good, fun prospects. Dorion went out and got his guy in net. They stink. The Senators are on pace for one of the worst seasons in NHL history and they're ahead of the Ducks in terms of a rebuild. Come back down to Earth boys.

Gibson is arguably the best goaltender in the NHL. I'd never short him or you guys on that, but goaltenders don't get traded for rebuild-ending trades (is there even such a thing????) nor do they get traded for genuine market value regardless. This is not a bad offer - I'd be willing to tack on the 2022 1st at most - but to say it's "not even close" or "Anaheim doesn't even take this call" is so wildly ignorant. It's not even based in reality how far you've overvalued Gibson.

Anaheim does not have a LHD prospect in their system anywhere close to Broberg's level. His year 2 growth was been incredible. Lavoie as Zegras' trigger-man immediately gives the Ducks something to keep pace with Los Angeles' Byfield-Kaliyev combination. Extra first round picks never hurt: there's even another premier goaltender in this upcoming draft. Koskinen's here for cap reasons and the Ducks needing someone to at least fill the net in the very short-term. This isn't a bad deal, especially if the 2022 1st is added.



There isnt one EDM could meet. ANA has no reason to even consider moving Gibson, He's young enough to still be a top 5 goalie when ANA will be competitive, he's signed to the best contract value wise in the league. The Ducks arent as far off as you claim. They have the Backend figured out for the future, the need some offense. This offer does not help ANA nearly enough. Perrault and Comtois will be Zegras' wingers they have his trigger men for the future,

Broberg isnt some cant miss prospect, hes a good prospect but not a top tier prospect. ANA would need a Zegras level prospect +++ to even consider moving Gibson, especially in-division.

Nothing in this offer, or the Oilers farm system as a whole does enough to move the needle on a Gibson trade, especially seeing the Ducks have no reason to begin with to think about moving him, any team trying to get Gibson has to give them a reason to consider it.

This is a nice offer, but "Nice" doesnt get ANA on the phone about a Gibson trade, it needs to be an insane overpay to the point it doesnt make sense for the other team involved because anything else doesnt make sense for the Ducks
Feb. 7, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Lavoie is not seen as a guy with substantial upside. That's the problem. Puljujarvi is. That's the big difference. & if you think a team is going to trade away a Vezina calibre goalie every year with 7 years of team control at under $7M for anything less, you're the one not being realistic here.


All Lavoie is is upside? His development is tracking phenomenally well from the QMJHL to the Allsvenskan. Despite the Allsvenskan being twice the strength of the QMJHL (NHLe's of 0.2489 to 0.1332), his current G/60 of 0.44 is effectively on pace with his 0.48G/60 over his entire QMJHL career. It's his first pro season! He's absolutely going to score goals at the NHL level with this development pace, and having Zegras as his pivot is only going to inflate that. This is not a no-name prospect.

I'm fairly certain that you - on top of the majority of non-Oilers posters here - had discounted Puljujarvi as an NHL player when he left for Finland. Make up your mind.
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Why would the Sharks downgrade from Sorensen to Chiasson and pay a 3rd for Larsson in a year where they’re most likely not gonna compete anyway? If we really want them we’ll just sign them in free agency since I know Larsson is an FA and I think so is Chiasson. Not a bad trade just doesn’t make sense.
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