I’m starting to think Hertl might be the most overrated player in league history.

Haven't even given Kase a real chance to prove himself tho. He's played a total of 8 games for the bruins in the regular szn. In the playoffs when he was healthy he looked good. Still need to give Kase a chance to prove it, and he certainly can.

was on pace for 27G last year, and is on pace for 29G (in 82GP season) despite being on a team that can't score goals, not to mention he is very strong defensively, plays on the PK and 1PP. Debrusk is on pace for 6 goals. No where even close in value.

because clearly a 3W, a 2nd, and a 3rd is enough for an elite 2C.

Exactly. You think he’s an elite 2C. I wasn’t making a comment about the trade btw, as you can see by me not making a comment about the trade.

He has managed to get 50 points once in his career. Once. He’s had one good season, aside from that year he’s been a 30 point guy.

I take it you don't know basic math?

Respectfully disagree on the 5v5. If the personnel is the Big Line of course there is no problem. Past that, the Bruins personnel is like most teams in the league in that they don't have the above average skill/speed to push play 5v5 past there first line. But the Bruins are more successful than most teams in the NHL. Is it superior pp/pk? Or do they just play well enough 5v5 to be an above average team?

I’ve done the math. Outside of his one outlier season he has averaged 34 points per season in his NHL career.

So that's a yes?

over his ENTIRE career he has 0.62 P/GP or "51 points per season."
over the past 3 years he has 0.85 P/GP or "70 points per season."

You pretend to have no concept of what a breakout is or Points Per Game.

How late?

I never mentioned points per game. Injuries matter. When a guy isn’t on the ice he doesn’t help.

With the exception of one outlier season, the only one in which hertl has ever cracked 50 points, he has averaged 34 points per season.

Nothing I have said is subjective, everything I have said is factual.

Haha this Ben Shapiro routine is laughable.

Okay, what's the issue with DeBrusk/Coyle/Krejci/Smith/Kase/Ritchie?

Why? I said outside of his outlier season he’s averaged 34 points a season. Do you dispute that?

You entire argument relies on misleading & incomplete statistics. You pretend Hertl is some horrible player because he missed some games due to injury, and therefore present his point totals without mentioning how many games they were in, or any other statistic. With that same argument I could say Kucherov is a 68 point player instead of a superstar. Or that Josh Anderson is some 3rd liner.

Sharks have said time and time again Hertl is not available and yet people keep coming up with poor value trades say in g this is fair! No it’s not and it’s going to take a massive overpay to get Hertl I’m sorry it just is.

When did I say he was terrible? He’s just not an elite 2c

Terrible is relative, saying he is a 34 point player is relatively terrible.

He has the 15th highest xWAR/60 of all centers (min 1000min) since 18-19. hence elite.

And for your belief that 18-19 was an anomaly, he is still 22nd highest since 19-20.

5-7

I'll give you all 3 if you want lol. The odds of a 5-7 rounder playing 100+ games in the NHL is roughly 5% to 8%

What you’re doing here is taking a lot of things that i said, and twisting them into something else.

I didn’t say taht his big season was an anomaly, i said it was an outlier. It is an outlier, there is no logical argument that it isn’t.
I didn’t say he was terrible because he’s averaged 34 points a season outside of his outlier season. All i said was that he averaged 34 points a season outside of his outlier year. Again, that’s just a plain old fact. It is what it is.

I didn’t bring up your xgar per 60 on Tuesday’s because i jsut don’t care. He’s a good player. He’s likely worth a late first.

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Your point is that you believe the issue with Debrusk/Coyle/Krejci/Kase/Ritchie is Cassidy's system 5v5. I believe its more about these players just being average players which means 5v5 they struggle to produce. If they were above average they would be above average 5/5 in Cassidy's system just as the big line is. That's it.