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Which makes most sense at TDL

Created by: Shane_Kelly
Initial Creation Date: Feb 27, 2021
Published: Feb 27 at 9:43
Team: 2020-21 Boston Bruins
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Let me know what you think. About these deals. I doubt Hertl will be available but if he is, I am very on board with acquiring him.
Trades
BOS
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Additional Details:
Bruins Bring in a legit top 6 forward with term left (2 years). This gives them a 2 line RW and someone who can play center, giving them flexibility in the offseason depending on Krejci.
SJS
    Debrusk
    2nd Round Pick
    3rd Round Pick

    OR
    Kase
    1st Rounder
    BOS
    1. Virtanen, Jake
    VAN
      conditional 3rd rounder maybe?
      I would say his value is pretty low as of right now but there will be those people in here saying "he was a high 1st rounder he has value"
      BOS
      1. Ekholm, Mattias
      NSH
        Vaak
        1st round pick
        this should get it done IMO, it may even take less than that
        BOS
        1. Glendening, Luke
        DET
          Late round pick. Sweeney loves these type of guys (I honestly wouldn't mind getting him this year if this isn't the only move)
          BOS
          1. Staal, Marc ($2,850,000 retained)
          DET
            Late Round Pick depth vet defenseman (bruins need that right now)
            BOS
            1. Bennett, Sam
            CGY
              2nd round pick
              Depth forward, who has a decent showing in the playoffs last season so I am not opposed to getting him, but a 2nd might be too high for me.
              BOS
              1. Palmieri, Kyle
              Additional Details:
              This is one that I love just like the Hertl trade. An established top 6 guy, proven scorer, plays with grit and fits the Bruins system well.. They have been tied to him for sometime, but as of right now I don't think he is available as the Devils are in the race for a playoff spot so time will tell.
              NJD
                Bjork
                1st rounder
                4th rounder for retention
                Retained Salary Transactions
                • David Backes: $1,500,000 (25%)
                DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                2021
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                TOR
                2022
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                2023
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                BOS
                ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                27$81,500,000$93,061,481$964,222$2,407,500-$11,561,481
                Left WingCenterRight Wing
                BOS
                Marchand, Brad
                $6,125,000
                LW
                NMC
                UFA - 5
                BOS
                Bergeron, Patrice
                $6,875,000
                C
                NMC NTC
                UFA - 2
                BOS
                Pastrnak, David
                $6,666,667
                RW
                UFA - 3
                BOS
                Ritchie, Nick
                $1,498,925
                LW
                RFA - 1
                BOS
                Krejci, David
                $7,250,000
                C
                NTC
                UFA - 1
                BOS
                Smith, Craig
                $3,100,000
                RW, C
                UFA - 3
                BOS
                Coyle, Charlie
                $5,250,000
                C, RW
                NMC NTC
                UFA - 6
                BOS
                Wagner, Chris
                $1,350,000
                RW, C
                UFA - 3
                BOS
                Kuraly, Sean
                $1,275,000
                C, LW
                UFA - 1
                BOS
                Studnicka, Jack
                $769,167
                RW, C
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Frederic, Trent
                $925,000
                C, LW
                RFA - 1
                VAN
                Virtanen, Jake
                $2,550,000
                RW, LW
                RFA - 2
                SJS
                Hertl, Tomas
                $5,625,000
                C, RW
                NTC
                UFA - 2
                NJD
                Palmieri, Kyle
                $2,325,000
                RW, LW
                NTC
                UFA - 1
                DET
                Glendening, Luke
                $1,800,000
                C, RW, LW
                UFA - 1
                CGY
                Bennett, Sam
                $2,550,000
                LW, C, RW
                RFA - 1
                Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                BOS
                Moore, John
                $2,750,000
                LD
                UFA - 3
                BOS
                McAvoy, Charlie
                $4,900,000
                RD
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Rask, Tuukka
                $7,000,000
                G
                UFA - 1
                BOS
                Clifton, Connor
                $1,000,000
                LD/RD
                UFA - 3
                BOS
                Carlo, Brandon
                $2,850,000
                RD
                RFA - 1
                BOS
                Halák, Jaroslav
                $2,250,000
                G
                UFA - 1
                BOS
                Zboril, Jakub
                $725,000
                LD
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Miller, Kevan
                $1,250,000
                RD
                UFA - 1
                NSH
                Ekholm, Mattias
                $3,750,000
                LD
                UFA - 2
                BOS
                Kampfer, Steven
                $800,000
                RD
                UFA - 1
                DET
                Staal, Marc
                $2,850,000
                LD
                NMC
                UFA - 1
                ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                BOS
                Grzelcyk, Matt
                $3,687,500
                LD
                UFA - 4
                BOS
                DeBrusk, Jake
                $3,675,000
                LW
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Lauzon, Jérémy
                $850,000
                LD/RD
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Kase, Ondrej
                $2,600,000
                RW
                RFA - 1
                BOS
                Bjork, Anders
                $1,600,000
                LW, RW
                RFA - 3
                BOS
                Vaakanainen, Urho
                $894,167
                LD
                RFA - 2
                Taxi Squad
                BOS
                Kuhlman, Karson
                $725,000 ($0)
                RW, C
                RFA - 2
                BOS
                Booth, Callum
                $700,000 ($0)
                G
                RFA - 1
                BOS
                McKegg, Greg
                $700,000 ($0)
                C, LW
                UFA - 1

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                Feb 27 at 12:22
                #26
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                Sharks easily decline, poor value going to SJ.


                I’m starting to think Hertl might be the most overrated player in league history.
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                Feb 27 at 12:26
                #27
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                Quoting: Shane_Kelly
                Lets face it, Kase deal was a mistake. Bruins took a chance on him and it has not paid off, so it's time to move on. When Kase is in the lineup, he has proven he is not a top 6 forward. But I think moving Debrusk in the Herlt deal will be enough.


                Haven't even given Kase a real chance to prove himself tho. He's played a total of 8 games for the bruins in the regular szn. In the playoffs when he was healthy he looked good. Still need to give Kase a chance to prove it, and he certainly can.
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                Feb 27 at 12:31
                #28
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                Quoting: Propeller09
                One season over 22g. One season over 46pts. It's not that far off. That is assuming either of these guys starts producing. If they don't, you are right.


                was on pace for 27G last year, and is on pace for 29G (in 82GP season) despite being on a team that can't score goals, not to mention he is very strong defensively, plays on the PK and 1PP. Debrusk is on pace for 6 goals. No where even close in value.
                Feb 27 at 12:39
                #29
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                I’m starting to think Hertl might be the most overrated player in league history.


                because clearly a 3W, a 2nd, and a 3rd is enough for an elite 2C.
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                Feb 27 at 12:41
                #30
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                because clearly a 3W, a 2nd, and a 3rd is enough for an elite 2C.


                Exactly. You think he’s an elite 2C. I wasn’t making a comment about the trade btw, as you can see by me not making a comment about the trade.

                He has managed to get 50 points once in his career. Once. He’s had one good season, aside from that year he’s been a 30 point guy.
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                Feb 27 at 12:44
                #31
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                Exactly. You think he’s an elite 2C. I wasn’t making a comment about the trade btw, as you can see by me not making a comment about the trade.

                He has managed to get 50 points once in his career. Once. He’s had one good season, aside from that year he’s been a 30 point guy.


                I take it you don't know basic math?
                Feb 27 at 1:11
                #32
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                Quoting: bhavikp27
                "His results are the envy of almost every team"
                Overall, yes. His 5v5 results, no.

                "Just came up one game short 2 years ago"
                And the Bruins lost because of what? Couldn't score a 5v5 goal in the finals.

                I believe Cassidy is one of the best coaches in this league but 5v5 is the only thing the Bruins are lacking and the problem isn't the personal only.
                You're free to disagree.


                Respectfully disagree on the 5v5. If the personnel is the Big Line of course there is no problem. Past that, the Bruins personnel is like most teams in the league in that they don't have the above average skill/speed to push play 5v5 past there first line. But the Bruins are more successful than most teams in the NHL. Is it superior pp/pk? Or do they just play well enough 5v5 to be an above average team?
                Feb 27 at 1:42
                #33
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                I take it you don't know basic math?


                I’ve done the math. Outside of his one outlier season he has averaged 34 points per season in his NHL career.
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                Feb 27 at 1:57
                #34
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                I’ve done the math. Outside of his one outlier season he has averaged 34 points per season in his NHL career.


                So that's a yes?

                over his ENTIRE career he has 0.62 P/GP or "51 points per season."
                over the past 3 years he has 0.85 P/GP or "70 points per season."

                You pretend to have no concept of what a breakout is or Points Per Game.
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                Feb 27 at 2:02
                #35
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                Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
                Only thing for me is that the first is gonna be late. Throw in a later pick and I’ll be good with it.


                How late?
                Feb 27 at 2:23
                #36
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                So that's a yes?

                over his ENTIRE career he has 0.62 P/GP or "51 points per season."
                over the past 3 years he has 0.85 P/GP or "70 points per season."

                You pretend to have no concept of what a breakout is or Points Per Game.


                I never mentioned points per game. Injuries matter. When a guy isn’t on the ice he doesn’t help.

                With the exception of one outlier season, the only one in which hertl has ever cracked 50 points, he has averaged 34 points per season.

                Nothing I have said is subjective, everything I have said is factual.
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                Feb 27 at 2:36
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                I never mentioned points per game. Injuries matter. When a guy isn’t on the ice he doesn’t help.

                With the exception of one outlier season, the only one in which hertl has ever cracked 50 points, he has averaged 34 points per season.

                Nothing I have said is subjective, everything I have said is factual.


                Haha this Ben Shapiro routine is laughable.
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                Feb 27 at 2:36
                #38
                bhavikp27
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                Quoting: BruinsCharlies
                Past that, the Bruins personnel is like most teams in the league in that they don't have the above average skill/speed to push play 5v5 past there first line


                Okay, what's the issue with DeBrusk/Coyle/Krejci/Smith/Kase/Ritchie?
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                Feb 27 at 2:40
                #39
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                Haha this Ben Shapiro routine is laughable.


                Quoting: Klara
                Haha this Ben Shapiro routine is laughable.


                Why? I said outside of his outlier season he’s averaged 34 points a season. Do you dispute that?
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                Feb 27 at 2:49
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                Why? I said outside of his outlier season he’s averaged 34 points a season. Do you dispute that?


                You entire argument relies on misleading & incomplete statistics. You pretend Hertl is some horrible player because he missed some games due to injury, and therefore present his point totals without mentioning how many games they were in, or any other statistic. With that same argument I could say Kucherov is a 68 point player instead of a superstar. Or that Josh Anderson is some 3rd liner.
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                Feb 27 at 3:11
                #41
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                Quoting: Shane_Kelly
                Lets face it, Kase deal was a mistake. Bruins took a chance on him and it has not paid off, so it's time to move on. When Kase is in the lineup, he has proven he is not a top 6 forward. But I think moving Debrusk in the Herlt deal will be enough.


                Quoting: Propeller09
                One season over 22g. One season over 46pts. It's not that far off. That is assuming either of these guys starts producing. If they don't, you are right.


                Sharks have said time and time again Hertl is not available and yet people keep coming up with poor value trades say in g this is fair! No it’s not and it’s going to take a massive overpay to get Hertl I’m sorry it just is.
                Feb 27 at 3:22
                #42
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                You entire argument relies on misleading & incomplete statistics. You pretend Hertl is some horrible player because he missed some games due to injury, and therefore present his point totals without mentioning how many games they were in, or any other statistic. With that same argument I could say Kucherov is a 68 point player instead of a superstar. Or that Josh Anderson is some 3rd liner.


                When did I say he was terrible? He’s just not an elite 2c
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                Feb 27 at 3:37
                #43
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                Quoting: Bcarlo25
                When did I say he was terrible? He’s just not an elite 2c


                Terrible is relative, saying he is a 34 point player is relatively terrible.

                He has the 15th highest xWAR/60 of all centers (min 1000min) since 18-19. hence elite.

                And for your belief that 18-19 was an anomaly, he is still 22nd highest since 19-20.
                Feb 27 at 3:49
                #44
                Go Preds
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                Quoting: ON3M4N
                How late?


                5-7
                Feb 27 at 4:37
                #45
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                Quoting: Jwilliams2k12
                5-7


                I'll give you all 3 if you want lol. The odds of a 5-7 rounder playing 100+ games in the NHL is roughly 5% to 8%
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                Feb 28 at 3:58
                #46
                Bcarlo25
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                Quoting: Klara
                Terrible is relative, saying he is a 34 point player is relatively terrible.

                He has the 15th highest xWAR/60 of all centers (min 1000min) since 18-19. hence elite.

                And for your belief that 18-19 was an anomaly, he is still 22nd highest since 19-20.


                What you’re doing here is taking a lot of things that i said, and twisting them into something else.

                I didn’t say taht his big season was an anomaly, i said it was an outlier. It is an outlier, there is no logical argument that it isn’t.
                I didn’t say he was terrible because he’s averaged 34 points a season outside of his outlier season. All i said was that he averaged 34 points a season outside of his outlier year. Again, that’s just a plain old fact. It is what it is.

                I didn’t bring up your xgar per 60 on Tuesday’s because i jsut don’t care. He’s a good player. He’s likely worth a late first.
                Feb 28 at 7:10
                #47
                bhavikp27
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                Quoting: BruinsCharlies
                Respectfully disagree on the 5v5. If the personnel is the Big Line of course there is no problem. Past that, the Bruins personnel is like most teams in the league in that they don't have the above average skill/speed to push play 5v5 past there first line. But the Bruins are more successful than most teams in the NHL. Is it superior pp/pk? Or do they just play well enough 5v5 to be an above average team?


                Quoting: bhavikp27
                Okay, what's the issue with DeBrusk/Coyle/Krejci/Smith/Kase/Ritchie?


                ??
                Feb 28 at 8:19
                #48
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                Quoting: bhavikp27
                ??


                Your point is that you believe the issue with Debrusk/Coyle/Krejci/Kase/Ritchie is Cassidy's system 5v5. I believe its more about these players just being average players which means 5v5 they struggle to produce. If they were above average they would be above average 5/5 in Cassidy's system just as the big line is. That's it.
                 
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