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Strålman's a decent D for Panthers. He's overpaid, sure, but he has also 1,5 years left and FLA aren't in huge cap trouble. They have no need to actively ship him somewhere.

Tippett's a good young player. Only 22, long-term cost controlled with double the points compared to Gusev.

Benning's still but a prospect. Too early to tell anything about it, but once again, no clear reason for Panthers to trade the guy.

At the end of the day, none of these are assets they should actively give up for Subban. I get the idea of acquiring Subban as a Ekblad replacement, but he absolutely is not worth Tippet+Strålman+Benning+1st. It's a joke.

I didn't propose Bellows, Wilde, 2nd
Why are people saying this?
The deal was Bolduc, Dufour and 2nd

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Strålman's a decent D for Panthers. He's overpaid, sure, but he has also 1,5 years left and FLA aren't in huge cap trouble. They have no need to actively ship him somewhere.

Tippett's a good young player. Only 22, long-term cost controlled with double the points compared to Gusev.

Benning's still but a prospect. Too early to tell anything about it, but once again, no clear reason for Panthers to trade the guy.

At the end of the day, none of these are assets they should actively give up for Subban. I get the idea of acquiring Subban as a Ekblad replacement, but he absolutely is not worth Tippet+Strålman+Benning+1st. It's a joke.

Palmeri's value is about a 2nd and a 3rd, not Bellows (about 2nd round value), Wilde (about 2nd round value), and another 2nd.

Isles would look elsewhere if the price is more than a 2nd and a 3rd, or Bellows and a 3rd.

Benning is ELITE AF! He is in my pfp

It was my suggestion of Bellow and Wilde. And if you look back, I never said anything about a 2nd included. I DID say tweaking which meant adding to make the package better for NYIs. Lets read the replies entirely!
I am interested in Wilde, as we have nothing on the right side. I understand that he is not considered the top prospect on the NYIs, also the reason I suggested him!
I find it astounding that some here, not all, are willing to give a crazy return for Hall, who has a much better team around him to work with than Palms who is a much better fit, more durable, half the money, twice the pts. for good but not great (Wahlstrom-esque) pkg. Palms is worth mire than a 2nd and a 3rd. Will he get it? Who knows, but if that is the return, with retention, just work on resigning him! Wanns push to get over teh top for a run, that's gonna cost.

I am not replying to a message you posted, other posters have put out Bellows, Wilde and a 2nd, or Bellows, Salo and a 2nd and said that would not get it done. Go read through all the messages including the original proposal as you like to advise.

Most Isles fans would probably agree Palmeri is a better fit than Hall, but Hall is a better player than Palmeri and rumors are stating he wouldn't return a 1st to Buffalo. Retention is not needed, Isles have plenty of cap room with Lee out but his value would be a 2nd and 3rd. If the Devils could get more elsewhere than they should.

I keep repeating myself here

Bellows + 2nd doesn’t get it done
Salo + 2nd doesn’t get it done
Wilde + 2nd doesn’t get it done

I have no idea why people are debating Bellows, Salo and 2nd or Bellows, Wilde and 2nd

And if it were just picks, Palmieir’s value would likely be 1st and 3rd.

I think that is the right call
(For Islanders)
I was going to propose Bolduc + that little UConn kid.

You're mad overrating Palms. Any of those 3 trades absolutely gets it done

I'd also rather not trade Bolduc, would counter with Salo, but I think both of them aren't going anywhere. We don't have enough LHD depth.

The Isles beat reporter on The Athletic listed those trade scenarios and his sources said wouldn't be enough
If the Devils had to protect Bellows or Wilde in expansion draft, that means losing Kuokkanen or Butcher or someone else. That doesn't make sense.

The Isles beat reporter on The Athletic listed those trade scenarios and his sources said wouldn't be enough
If the Devils had to protect Bellows or Wilde in expansion draft, that means losing Kuokkanen or Butcher or someone else. That doesn't make sense.

There was also an athletic article with multiple NHL executives going over the trade deadline. NHL execs said Palmieri won't get more than a 2nd and a non top 3 prospect. They specifically said Bellows and a 2nd is his value

Didn't Devils fans just do this last year with Hall? Constantly overrated him and expected a huge return(yes they did). Instead they got a bunch of garbage and a 1st. Luckily that 1st turned into Dawson Mercer, thats the only saving grace of the Hall return

Team Executive Trade Proposal No. 1

Devils trade Kyle Palmieri to Islanders for Kieffer Bellows and a second-round pick

Executive rationale: Need to replace Anders Lee and I think he will. I think they need that offence. I don’t think they want to rely on younger guys. And Lou will extend him like he did with Pageau.

LeBrun analysis: This executive was short and sweet compared to some of my other guys, but he probably comes up with the most perfect match. Palmieri fits exactly what Islanders GM Lou Lamoriello is looking for. The Isles don’t have their own second-round pick this year but can move Colorado’s second-round pick they acquired in the Devon Toews deal. Would the Isles move on from Bellows, 22, their 2016 first-round pick? He would fit in well with the Devils’ age group.

Drance analysis: I like the deal a bit more for the Islanders, mostly because Bellows is eligible to be included in the expansion draft and it’s hard to see the Islanders protecting him. The Devils have way less forward depth and can probably accommodate Bellows with one of their seven protected slots for forwards. In what’s shaping up to be a slow-moving, depressed market for sellers; a late second and a recent first-round pick is a decent return for Palmieri, who is excellent but is having a down season by his standards.

Kyle Palmieri trades

Kyle Palmieri, the Devils wing and pending UFA, is a popular choice to slot into the Isles’ top six and Lou Lamoriello and Tom Fitzgerald swung a deal before the 2020 deadline, with Andy Greene going to the Isles for 2020 and 2021 second-round picks. Our other exec sees some value here for both sides, it’s just a matter of what the market will bear for Palmieri — or whether the Devils decide it’s worth keeping a veteran leader around.

Isles trade 2021 and 2022 seconds and Leo Komarov to the Devils for Kyle Palmieri — Josh E.

Exec No. 2: “The two seconds makes sense and maybe you get Jersey to take Komarov back as the price for a second pick. But this doesn’t feel like a winning bid, this feels like a deal the Devils make if there’s nothing better out there.”

Isles trade a 2021 second and Michael Dal Colle to the Devils for Palmieri — Chris N.

Exec No. 2: “Dal Colle could be a nice player but you might have to go higher in the Isles prospect pool to make this work.”

Isles trade Bode Wilde and a 2021 second to the Devils for Palmieri and a 2021 fifth — Justin B.

Exec No. 2: “Kind of the same as above — not sure Wilde is a prospect that gets it done with a second.”

Isles trade a 2021 first to the Devils for Palmieri — Andrew S.

Exec No. 2: “This is probably the most value for Jersey, teams really like being able to get that extra pick in the first round to either make a pick or make a move. You look at what they did with (Blake) Coleman and (Taylor) Hall last year, that’s a solid return for the future. They may want to go down that same road with Palmieri.”

I'd also rather not trade Bolduc, would counter with Salo, but I think both of them aren't going anywhere. We don't have enough LHD depth.

If Palmieri costs more than a 2nd + bellows or two 2nd rd picks, the isles likely pass. It's a buyers market and the isles will no problem acquiring someone equal or better than Palmieri (this season) and not have to give up any of their D prospects or a 1st rd pick.

Agree. Some Devils fans are gonna be pretty disappointed if they keep overvaluing their assets like this. Its Hall all over again for some. And im a devils fan, i just have realistic expectations.

Asking for Samuel Bolduc instead of Bellows is not overvaluing Palmieri.
Bellows needs to be protected in expansion draft and has not played up to expectation.
Bolduc is a 20-year old former 2nd rounder who has played 11 professional games.
Neither of these guys would be among Devils top-8 prospects.