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Basically my previous Detroit mock but Calgary instead

Created by: MelonVK
Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2021
Published: May 4 at 10:13
Team: 2021-22 Calgary Flames
Team Explanation
This team is bad and not getting better. Something has to happen. Gaudreau, Monahan and Lindholm are basically in or past their prime - just let them go and build new before you sign long and bad contract you'll have to wait out.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dubé, Dillon2$2,000,000
Kylington, Oliver2$900,000
Välimäki, Juuso2$1,250,000
Eriksson Ek, Joel5$4,500,000
Kase, Ondrej4$3,000,000
Mackey, Connor2$900,000
Lerby, Carl-Johan2$800,000
Parsons, Tyler2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Leivo, Josh2$1,500,000
Trades
CGY
  1. Wahlstrom, Oliver
  2. Ladd, Andrew
  3. Komarov, Leo
  4. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Gaudreau, Johnny
CGY
  1. Eriksson Ek, Joel [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (MIN)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Monahan, Sean
CGY
  1. Strålman, Anton
  2. 2021 1st round pick (FLA)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Hanifin, Noah
CGY
  1. Kase, Ondrej [RFA Rights]
BOS
  1. Giordano, Mark ($3,375,000 retained)
CGY
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Roussel, Antoine
  3. Höglander, Nils
VAN
  1. Lindholm, Elias
Buyouts
  • Troy Brouwer: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Mark Giordano: $3,375,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Antoine Roussel: $1,875,000 ($3,000,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
CGY
FLA
CGY
COL
MIN
CGY
EDM
CGY
CGY
CGY
2022
CGY
NYI
CGY
FLA
NYI
CGY
TOR
MIN
CGY
CGY
CGY
2023
CGY
CGY
CGY
FLA
CGY
CGY
CGY
CGY
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,985,834$0$737,500$1,514,166
Left WingCenterRight Wing
CGY
Tkachuk, Matthew
$7,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Eriksson Ek, Joel
$4,500,000
C
RFA
NYI
Wahlstrom, Oliver
$894,167
C, RW
RFA - 2
CGY
Mangiapane, Andrew
$2,425,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
CGY
Backlund, Mikael
$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Höglander, Nils
$891,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
CGY
Leivo, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA
CGY
Dubé, Dillon
$2,000,000
RW, LW
RFA
Kase, Ondrej
$3,000,000
RW
RFA
CGY
Lucic, Milan
$5,250,000
LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
CGY
Froese, Byron
$725,000
C
UFA - 1
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
NYI
Ladd, Andrew
$5,500,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
NYI
Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
CGY
Kylington, Oliver
$900,000
LD
RFA
CGY
Tanev, Christopher
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
CGY
Markström, Jacob
$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
CGY
Välimäki, Juuso
$1,250,000
LD
RFA
CGY
Andersson, Rasmus
$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 5
CGY
Parsons, Tyler
$800,000
G
RFA
CGY
Mackey, Connor
$900,000
LD
RFA
FLA
Strålman, Anton
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
CGY
Lerby, Carl-Johan
$800,000
LD
RFA

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May 4 at 10:17
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You... you signed Kase for 3 million dollars... for FOUR YEARS. Dude ya know Kase played like 2 games this season and has been hurt since like the beginning. Anything over 1X1 for him would surprise me.
May 4 at 10:17
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Hanifin and Lindholm stays
May 4 at 10:18
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Hanifin and Lindholm stays


I don't care what you say THEY STAY
May 4 at 10:20
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Joel Eriksson Ek is better than Monahan right now
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May 4 at 10:21
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Quoting: Ville__Koho
You... you signed Kase for 3 million dollars... for FOUR YEARS. Dude ya know Kase played like 2 games this season and has been hurt since like the beginning. Anything over 1X1 for him would surprise me.


I know this. He was really good before he got hurt. I think any team taking a flyer on him is either gonna get a big payout or a risk free ltir situation
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May 4 at 10:22
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Quoting: deys3232
Joel Eriksson Ek is better than Monahan right now


I agree
May 4 at 10:22
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Quoting: Gmonwy
I don't care what you say THEY STAY


Oh, guess I'll delete this post then
May 4 at 10:23
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Quoting: MelonVK
I know this. He was really good before he got hurt. I think any team taking a flyer on him is either gonna get a big payout or a risk free ltir situation


True, I didn't think about an LTIR situation.
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May 4 at 10:23
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Quoting: MelonVK
I agree


Then why did you add a 2nd and a 3rd
May 4 at 10:25
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Then why did you add a 2nd and a 3rd


Because GM's are dumb. Name-recognition drives like half of trades. The other half is probably confirmation bias. I'm not saying I would do this if I were Minnesota, I'm saying I would try this if I were Calgary
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May 4 at 10:34
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calgary won't have to take two atrocious contracts to get value for gaudreau, hanifin is worth significantly more than that if you removed stralman's negative value dead weight contract from the equation, and hoglander is like, maybe a quarter of the way to getting you lindholm, there's no way in hell he has enough value to get lindholm AND compensate for 9 million dollars for two AHLers
May 4 at 10:42
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Quoting: Alfie11
calgary won't have to take two atrocious contracts to get value for gaudreau, hanifin is worth significantly more than that if you removed stralman's negative value dead weight contract from the equation, and hoglander is like, maybe a quarter of the way to getting you lindholm, there's no way in hell he has enough value to get lindholm AND compensate for 9 million dollars for two AHLers


I value Höglander over Lindholm and possibly Wahlstrom over Gaudreau at this point and cap hit - especially considering both of their next contracts. Hanifin has never really been that impressive.

With that said, its impossible to create a trade on this forsaken website. Everytime I do people attack me from both directions. Its really the masochism that's driving me to continue.
May 4 at 10:49
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Quoting: MelonVK
Because GM's are dumb. Name-recognition drives like half of trades. The other half is probably confirmation bias. I'm not saying I would do this if I were Minnesota, I'm saying I would try this if I were Calgary


Doesn't mean all of them are dumb, or that the majority would agree to get swindled for the heck of it.

Besides, it's less about a GM being dumb, as it is more about being desperate. Rutherford, Benning, and Poile are all prime examples of that.

I wouldn't trade JEE 1v1 for Monahan, let alone add. Especially given the year he's had, that said I wouldn't mind trading for him though. But your not going to be able to pry JEE from MN unless a far better center was coming back.

What I would consider is this, Khovanov and a 2nd round pick for Monahan, but that's as far as I would be willing to go. All things considered, a center prospect with top six potential and a 2nd is fair value for Monahan currently. The 2nd could be for either this year's draft or for 22's, whichever you prefer.
May 4 at 10:53
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Quoting: MelonVK
I value Höglander over Lindholm and possibly Wahlstrom over Gaudreau at this point and cap hit - especially considering both of their next contracts. Hanifin has never really been that impressive.

With that said, its impossible to create a trade on this forsaken website. Everytime I do people attack me from both directions. Its really the masochism that's driving me to continue.

Wahlstrom would be lucky to turn into a guy who gets as many points as Gaudreau does in a down year. Lindholm is a fringe selke threat with 30 goal potential 1st line centre, comparing him to hoglander is honestly just insulting, hoglander might one day equal him offensively and is only a winger. Hanifin has been VERY impressive this year, the Hanifin-Tanev pairing has been one of the best in the entire league all season despite calgary as a whole sucking. This just makes you seem like you have no idea how to evaluate talent, or that you're going based off of dated information (although these would still be atrocious a year ago so idk). For the record, unless the prospect is a top 3 pick, they probably don't have more value than an established first line NHL star, especially ones that are under 30 on great contracts.
May 4 at 11:26
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You are beyond joking yourself if you think wild are ever ever trading Joel Eriksson Ek especially for Sean Monahan

Wild don't need , or want Sean Monahan. Bill Guerin doesn't like/ doesn't want Sean Monahan
May 4 at 11:29
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Quoting: MelonVK
Oh, guess I'll delete this post then


Yeah, you should

Joel Eriksson Ek is a complete 2 way c, total BBC east whose 1 of wild 3 players to score 10 goals or more in 3rd period this year. Joel Eriksson Ek just scored his 18th goal last night
May 4 at 2:27
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Quoting: RazWild
Doesn't mean all of them are dumb, or that the majority would agree to get swindled for the heck of it.

Besides, it's less about a GM being dumb, as it is more about being desperate. Rutherford, Benning, and Poile are all prime examples of that.

I wouldn't trade JEE 1v1 for Monahan, let alone add. Especially given the year he's had, that said I wouldn't mind trading for him though. But your not going to be able to pry JEE from MN unless a far better center was coming back.

What I would consider is this, Khovanov and a 2nd round pick for Monahan, but that's as far as I would be willing to go. All things considered, a center prospect with top six potential and a 2nd is fair value for Monahan currently. The 2nd could be for either this year's draft or for 22's, whichever you prefer.


So you didn't, in fact, read my comment
May 4 at 2:33
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Quoting: Alfie11
Wahlstrom would be lucky to turn into a guy who gets as many points as Gaudreau does in a down year. Lindholm is a fringe selke threat with 30 goal potential 1st line centre, comparing him to hoglander is honestly just insulting, hoglander might one day equal him offensively and is only a winger. Hanifin has been VERY impressive this year, the Hanifin-Tanev pairing has been one of the best in the entire league all season despite calgary as a whole sucking. This just makes you seem like you have no idea how to evaluate talent, or that you're going based off of dated information (although these would still be atrocious a year ago so idk). For the record, unless the prospect is a top 3 pick, they probably don't have more value than an established first line NHL star, especially ones that are under 30 on great contracts.


Lindholm isn't a "fringe Selke threat". His defensive numbers this year is close to those of... Wahlstrom. With worse offensive impact. Höglander is the best player out of the bunch judging by this season. His shooting impacts and predictive numbers are good in both directions. You apparently have no way of evaluating offense other than points and Selke other than narrative. This discussion will never lead anywhere. Stay bad, holding onto your close-to-average players. It's the same discussion every time - unsuccessful teams don't wana part with their players.

If you want to stay good - keep Mangiapane and Leivo on cheap long-term contracts.
May 4 at 2:35
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Quoting: BrodinCheerD
Yeah, you should

Joel Eriksson Ek is a complete 2 way c, total BBC east whose 1 of wild 3 players to score 10 goals or more in 3rd period this year. Joel Eriksson Ek just scored his 18th goal last night


Are you unable to process information? I've commented I wouldn't do it if I was GM of the Wild. I think he's *way* better, and has been long before this year. That has nothing to do with this.
May 4 at 3:00
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Quoting: MelonVK
Are you unable to process information? I've commented I wouldn't do it if I was GM of the Wild. I think he's *way* better, and has been long before this year. That has nothing to do with this.


Wild gm wasn't willing to trade dumba for Sean Monahan because for a long time he has never wanted Sean Monahan. Sean Monahan discussions if to wild has been repeated a million times. Wild gm doesn't like Sean Monahan

So again, doesn't really matter. For you to make this proposal than get mad when called out is funny


Wild Aren't trading Joel Eriksson Ek under any means, , & you must believe this seriously otherwise you wouldn't have made wild give me also

Or you are trolling
May 4 at 3:04
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Quoting: MelonVK
Because GM's are dumb. Name-recognition drives like half of trades. The other half is probably confirmation bias. I'm not saying I would do this if I were Minnesota, I'm saying I would try this if I were Calgary




Ironic isn't

Name recognition? Sean Monahan is past his prime according to your post, yet you are sending him to wild,for younger better player, a younger better c in Joel Eriksson Ek than get mad when called out for this bs, unrealistic, unfair proposal , bias proposal for Calgary, & bad proposal for wild.

Funny isn't
May 4 at 3:08
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Quoting: BrodinCheerD
Wild gm wasn't willing to trade dumba for Sean Monahan because for a long time he has never wanted Sean Monahan. Sean Monahan discussions if to wild has been repeated a million times. Wild gm doesn't like Sean Monahan

So again, doesn't really matter. For you to make this proposal than get mad when called out is funny


Wild Aren't trading Joel Eriksson Ek under any means, , & you must believe this seriously otherwise you wouldn't have made wild give me also

Or you are trolling


I don't know what discussions you have read of Monahan to the Wild?

I know I have been valuing Eriksson-Ek for years, but good to know that its catched up to people once *checks notes* completely unrelated players Kirill Kaprizov and Kevin Fiala has interest of the Wild peak. Just get off my post.
May 4 at 3:10
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Quoting: MelonVK
I don't know what discussions you have read of Monahan to the Wild?

I know I have been valuing Eriksson-Ek for years, but good to know that its catched up to people once *checks notes* completely unrelated players Kirill Kaprizov and Kevin Fiala has interest of the Wild peak. Just get off my post.


Don't get mad because you were called out for the bs reading you tried to make it

There's been a million post including public news that wild aren't interested in Sean Monahan that has been discussed here, & on the athletic

Michael Russo who covers wild reported this dating back to last summer, & every proposal of Monahan to wild, this has been/ comment that wild aren't interested
May 4 at 3:16
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Quoting: BrodinCheerD
Ironic isn't

Name recognition? Sean Monahan is past his prime according to your post, yet you are sending him to wild,for younger better player, a younger better c in Joel Eriksson Ek than get mad when called out for this bs, unrealistic, unfair proposal , bias proposal for Calgary, & bad proposal for wild.

Funny isn't


I literally said I wouldn't do it. Is this too hard for you to conceptually understand? That I can make a mock of a trade I don't agree with? I was trying to play off of the fact that JEE has less name recognition league wide, but apparently now that other Wild players make them really exciting to watch his value has skyrocketed? He didn't magically become better this year you know, he's been really good for a few years. It's also hilarious calling out my "bias" between two teams I couldn't care less about. Impressive psychoanalysis.
May 4 at 3:20
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Quoting: MelonVK
I literally said I wouldn't do it. Is this too hard for you to conceptually understand? That I can make a mock of a trade I don't agree with? I was trying to play off of the fact that JEE has less name recognition league wide, but apparently now that other Wild players make them really exciting to watch his value has skyrocketed? He didn't magically become better this year you know, he's been really good for a few years. It's also hilarious calling out my "bias" between two teams I couldn't care less about. Impressive psychoanalysis.


Wild fans like myself has loved Joel Eriksson Ek for years , so no don't act like you are the only one who knows about Joel Eriksson Ek

Wild GM also knew about him. Clearly because teams called about him, & wild gm said no

So don't try to act like you are / or Joel Eriksson Ek is a secret

If you didn't carr why make the proposal then try to defend it
 
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