The St. Louis deal is good for value, but unless you're extremely high on Dunn, I don't see the point of this move for Chicago. Dunn isn't what he's hyped up to be and he's sheltered by playing with top defensive guys or bottom pairing minutes. I think Beaudin suits the Blackhawks time frame better for their rebuild, I think you'd be smarter to stay the course and stick with Beaudin and the pick. But the values fine, probably a slight overpay by Chicago.

I feel like de Haan is still an NHL level defenceman and you can get a better return than that. Target better teams that need defence and not a team on the downslide, maybe try Winnipeg and get a better puck or prospect.

The Anaheim deal just doesn't have the value there for the Ducks to consider it. If they move Lindholm it'll likely be for a high end winger or winger with high upside to play with Zegras when the time comes . I think a deal for Lindholm would be better suited for both sides with Lindholm for Nylander and Chicago's 1st in 2021 (assuming the pick is around 10-12) and then an AHL prospect. Nylander still has the skill to flourish in the right situation, and beside Zegras could be that spot for Anaheim. As for Lindholm, he comes with only a year left on his deal and he's quite injury prone. If he wasn't I'd say a higher end player than Nylander but because of it I think something like this could work for both sides.

Overall, not too bad though.

Edit: sorry just saw the free agent signings and I don't think they're likely. Hamilton is the type of guy that doesn't like the spotlight that he'd get in Chicago and Driedger will be looking for more of a guaranteed starters role, not a tandem role. I can't see either of them considering Chicago as an option this off-season

The Blues are not giving Dunn to Chicago, so discussions of value are irrelevant. That said, a lesser and insanely tiny LD will be of no interest to the Blues. They're swimming in LDs and don't like teeny weeny D-men.





You can be as high or low as you like on Dunn, but this particular take is living in the past.

An offensive defenceman that's a defensive liability isn't worth a ton and is a dime a dozen really. And for being an offensive minded player, he hasn't created a whole lot of offence this season.

I get you're a Blues fan but Dunn really isn't in high demand. That's why no one made a deal when it was known that he was available

Yeeeah, he wasn't available. And sure, any player doesn't seem that enticing if you don't have facts, exaggerate his flaws and ignore all his best traits...

I literally just said that he's an offensive defenceman. That's a good quality. It's not a huge knock on him, it's just his game. He's a younger version of Justin Holl. Who again, is a dime a dozen guy. Can be replaced pretty easily but has some value to his team that knows him in his current role.

Edit: you seem pretty confident in saying he wasn't available, yet most of the big media coverage analysts said he was - including Elliott Friedman. That's not a guy that reports something that he doesn't know

First of all... not one media anything was even slightly substantiated. It was lazy parroted speculation that everyone backed away from as if they never heard of it only a few days later.

Secondly, Dunn is not dime a dozen. He's damn near elite as a puck mover and nowhere near as bad defensively as people like to make out. And he's still young, still cheap and still has already helped the Blues win a Cup. Oh and you stated that he's not providing much offense, but actually he's on the highest PPG of his career so far this season - so not sure what you're on about with that comment. Even though Dunn has definitely had a hot and cold season, he still holds good value.

Sorry, but again Friedman spoke of Dunn being available - and he's not one to speak of something that he doesn't know about. I'll take his word over a fan's any day.

If you're only referring to points as a way to make someone's value, sorry but that's not how entirely how things work these days. If he's creating so much offence, why is his xGF only 10.2? Again, I compared him to a younger version of Justin Holl. They're both good puck moving defenceman but not elite. Holl's xGF is over double Dunn's at 24.7. Matt Grzelcyk has played 8 less games and still has a higher xGF at 12.2. Hell, even Mike Matheson has a higher xGF at 13.3 than Dunn has. Now I assume your argument is going to be something along the lines of the teammates, but when Dunn's played with the likes of O'Reilly, Perron, Schenn, Hoffman, Kyrou, etc. all season, and Tarasenko for about half of the season, don't tell me there's no chance for him to create more offence.

So again, I'm not saying that Dunn is a bad defenceman. He is a good puck mover. But he's far from an "elite" one has you've said. And I also never said he didn't have value. A 2nd round pick and a B prospect like this deal is pretty good value actually - to which I said is about right. I'm sorry but you need to take the bias out of your opinion and see what it's really like.

Id prefer to not sign Dougie. His best defense is his offense. Hampus though...if he's available I'd give up quite a bit. I would think Nylander, Vlasic, would have to be in that deal.

I like the idea of that type of deal actually for both sides.


Alex Nylander
Alex Vlasic
2021 1st round pick (12th overal)


Hampus Lindholm (signs an extension as part of the deal)

That's not enough for Lindholm. If Anaheim was to move him, they could definitely get a better offer than that

Man, I wonder if the hawks want Hampus Lindholm as much as hawks fans do. Its almost like the whole fanbase agrees this should be done because we all see that Boqvist just needs some freaking help on his left

Not one person, including Friedman reported from a source that Dunn was available. It was always "I'm hearing that" or "he could available" or flat guessing. It was made-up nonsense, which is easy to tell because they all backed off of it within days and we haven;t heard it since.

Ya know, there's expected production, and then there's actual production. Finishing plays is not nothing, and I know which stat I'd prefer to be higher. Dunn is scoing goals near his best rate and collecting points at a career best rate.

When your puck moving rates are all 85-95% and also were last season, you're near elite. I mean, that's just math. And the eye test matches because Dunn has some of the sickest edge work in the league.

Well, cool, because that's precisely what I've asked for in dozens of Dunn trade threads here. Beaudin is not a prospect of real value, let alone a B prospect. I'm fully aware of Dunn's issues this season, but he is certainly not dime a dozen. If he becomes available, half the league will chase him.